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All disk galaxies rotate once every billion years
Astronomy ^ | 3/13/18 | Jake Parks

Posted on 09/29/2018 4:50:31 AM PDT by LibWhacker

All disk galaxies rotate once every billion years

By Jake Parks  |  Published: Tuesday, March 13, 2018
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Grand spiral galaxy (NGC 1232).
FORS/8.2-meter VLT Antu/ESO
In a study published March 9 in The Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society, astronomers announced the discovery that all disk galaxies rotate about once every billion years, no matter their size or mass.

“It’s not Swiss watch precision,” said Gerhardt Meurer, an astronomer from the International Centre for Radio Astronomy Research (ICRAR), in a press release. “But regardless of whether a galaxy is very big or very small, if you could sit on the extreme edge of its disk as it spins, it would take you about a billion years to go all the way round.”

“Discovering such regularity in galaxies really helps us to better understand the mechanics that make them tick,” he said. “You won’t find a dense galaxy rotating quickly, while another with the same size but lower density is rotating more slowly.”

To carry out the study, the researchers determined the radial velocities of neutral hydrogen in the outer disks of a plethora of galaxies — ranging from small dwarf irregulars to massive spirals. These galaxies differed in both size and rotational velocity by up to a factor of 30. With these velocity measurements, the researchers were able to calculate the rotational period of their sample galaxies, which led them to conclude that the outer rims of all disk galaxies take roughly a billion years to complete one rotation. However, the researchers note that further research is required to confirm the clock-like spin rate is a universal trait of disk galaxies and not just a result of selection bias.  

Based on theoretical models, the researchers also expected to find only sparse populations of young stars and interstellar gas on the outskirts of these galaxies. But instead, they discovered a significant population of much older stars mingling with the young stars and gas.

“This is an important result because knowing where a galaxy ends means we astronomers can limit our observations and not waste time, effort, and computer processing power on studying data from beyond that point,” said Meurer. “So because of this work, we now know that galaxies rotate once every billion years, with a sharp edge that’s populated with a mixture of interstellar gas [and] both old and young stars.”

Considering new generations of radio telescopes — like the long-anticipated Square Kilometer Array (SKA) — will produce massive amounts of data, the fact that researchers now have a good idea where a galaxy’s edge lies should also help them significantly reduce the power required to sort through such data.

“When the SKA comes online in the next decade,” Meurer said, “we’ll need as much help as we can get to characterize the billions of galaxies these telescopes will soon make available to us.

Astronomers discovered that all disk galaxies rotate once every billion years, no matter their size.

ICRAR



TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: astronomy; billion; disk; galaxies; rotate; science
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Article is six months old, but has never been posted. The obvious question is: What about the Milky Way, which rotates once every ~250M years??
1 posted on 09/29/2018 4:50:31 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker
What about the Milky Way, which rotates once every ~250M years??

The earth orbits the center of the galaxy once every 225 to 250 million years. Presumably the black hole at the center rotates much faster and spiral arms further out go somewhat slower.

We've been observing galactic rotation for about 90 years. I'm not sure we have enough data to say for sure how fast any galaxy rotates. But ask me again in about 30 million years. :o)

2 posted on 09/29/2018 5:22:44 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF
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To: LibWhacker

The Milky Way is only in 2nd gear.


3 posted on 09/29/2018 5:32:11 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (All I know is what I read in the papers.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Good to know...now I have another way to set my watch ;-)


4 posted on 09/29/2018 5:34:18 AM PDT by Don@VB (Power Corrupts)
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To: LibWhacker

Nice to know that at this age, the universe is still regular.


5 posted on 09/29/2018 5:37:19 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: LibWhacker

They’re talking about disk galaxies. The Milky Way is believed to be a barred spiral galaxy, not a disk. Lacking the ability to see the whole thing from a distance of course, it’s somewhat of an educated guess.


6 posted on 09/29/2018 5:44:44 AM PDT by Campion ((marine dad))
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(This is not helped by the fact that their picture is of a spiral galaxy, not a disk.)


7 posted on 09/29/2018 5:45:23 AM PDT by Campion ((marine dad))
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

Everything in a spiral galaxy rotates around the center of the galaxy at the same rate. It’s as if every disk-like galaxy were a giant phonograph record, everything rotating in lock-step. It’s one of the great discoveries in astronomy, made by Vera Rubin. She probably should’ve gotten the Nobel Prize for it, but never did. She made it by studying stellar red shifts (fortunately, they don’t have to watch the galaxy rotating for tens of millions of years before getting a fix on the rotation rate!)


8 posted on 09/29/2018 5:46:01 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Campion

Disk galaxies come in two flavors: Spiral and lenticular. So spirals are included in the discovery.


9 posted on 09/29/2018 5:50:21 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

Short of a miracle of science or God, my lifespan is less than a hundred years, so a BILLION years means what to me again?!!! @.@


10 posted on 09/29/2018 5:51:51 AM PDT by cranked
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To: LibWhacker

There Is A Rogue Group Of Stars Behaving Very Suspiciously In The Milky Way's Disk

11 posted on 09/29/2018 5:53:57 AM PDT by blam
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To: Campion

I believe that all galaxies are essentilly discs. The disagreement would be argument over the thivkness of the accretion.

The rotational period is a function of the gravitational friction of the black hole


12 posted on 09/29/2018 5:55:14 AM PDT by bert ((KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Muller..... conspiracy to over throw the government)
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To: blam

I remember seeing that. Gravitational waves, no?

BTW, beautiful galaxy. Looks very similar to NGC 1232, the one pictured in this article. Someone been busy playing with Photoshop? Not criticizing... It’s a beautiful galaxy any way you look at it.


13 posted on 09/29/2018 6:14:51 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Don@VB

Come to think of it, a watch spring looks just like a spiral galaxy. That’s your deep thought for the day.


14 posted on 09/29/2018 6:15:23 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (All I know is what I read in the papers.)
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To: LibWhacker

These galaxies differed in both size and rotational velocity by up to a factor of 30. With these velocity measurements, the researchers were able to calculate the rotational period of their sample galaxies, which led them to conclude that the outer rims of all disk galaxies take roughly a billion years to complete one rotation.

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The key to this study is they are only looking at the outer rims. FReepers who only read the headlines won’t know this.


15 posted on 09/29/2018 6:16:48 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
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But remember, Vera Rubin showed the outer rim of a galaxy rotates just as fast as the stars interior to it. Everything's rotating like a giant phonograph record. See my comment #8 above. The only explanation is dark matter, or so they say. I believe they.
16 posted on 09/29/2018 6:28:26 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

You are correct. Thank you for the correction.


17 posted on 09/29/2018 6:44:05 AM PDT by Campion ((marine dad))
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To: LibWhacker
they discovered a significant population of much older stars mingling with the young stars and gas.

pedophile stars? Just like Hollywood

18 posted on 09/29/2018 6:46:49 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is EVIL and needs to be eradicated)
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Actually, the flatness that Rubin discovered only applies to the outer bands. The inner and middle bands vary quite a bit in velocity. Some outer bands are nearly flat and some trend up as pictured above. Essentially, she discovered one of the important effects of dark matter.

19 posted on 09/29/2018 6:52:14 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
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To: LibWhacker

They rotate faster than that toward their centers, and slower than that toward their periphery. Somewhere between they ALL rotate at THAT rate. They call this the “selection fallacy”.

I’m sure there are Federal grants involved.


20 posted on 09/29/2018 7:01:45 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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