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Richard Wagner: A Composer Forever Associated with Hitler
Der Spiegel ^ | April 12, 2013 | Dirk Kurbjuweit

Posted on 10/18/2018 9:00:18 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege

The Nazi years lie like a bolt over the memory of a good Germany, of the composers, poets and philosophers who gave the world so much beauty and enlightenment in the 18th and 19th centuries: Kant, Hegel, Goethe, Schiller, Beethoven, Wagner and the Romantics. Nevertheless...in only a few years, a nation of culture was turned into one of modern barbarians.

Could the philosophical abstraction, artistic elation and yearning for collective salvation that drove the country also have contributed to its ultimate derailing into the kind of mania that defined the years of National Socialism? After all, it wasn't just the dull masses that followed the Führer. Members of the cultural elite were also on their knees.

Music and the Holocaust come together in that shadow: one of the most beautiful things created by man, and one of the worst things human beings have ever done. Wagner, the mad genius, was more than a composer. He also influenced Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich, even though he was already dead when the 12-year-old Hitler heard his music live for the first time, when he attended a production of "Lohengrin" in the Austrian city of Linz in 1901. Describing the experience, during which he stood in a standing-room only section of the theater, Hitler wrote: "I was captivated immediately."

Many others feel the same way. They listen to Wagner and are captivated, overwhelmed, smitten and delighted. Nike Wagner, the composer's great-granddaughter, puts the question that this raises in these terms: "Should we allow ourselves to listen to his works with pleasure, even though we know that he was an anti-Semite?" There's a bigger issue behind this question: Can Germans enjoy any part of their history in a carefree way?

(Excerpt) Read more at spiegel.de ...


TOPICS: History; Music/Entertainment
KEYWORDS: classicalmusic; germany; hitler; music; richardwagner; wagner
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1 posted on 10/18/2018 9:00:19 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Music isn’t anti-Semitic.


2 posted on 10/18/2018 9:02:16 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGU1P6lBW6Q


3 posted on 10/18/2018 9:04:47 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Hegel brought blood

Only a leftist lauds Hegel


4 posted on 10/18/2018 9:05:57 AM PDT by wardaddy (I don’t care that you’re not a racist......when the shooting starts it won’t matter what you were)
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To: ClearCase_guy

f you listen to Wagner, you’re a hater! I’m triggered, dang it!!


5 posted on 10/18/2018 9:06:41 AM PDT by LouieFisk
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Wagner was a real jerk personally but GMAFB. He was long dead before the Nazis ever even existed.


6 posted on 10/18/2018 9:07:49 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Richard Wagner: A Composer Forever Associated with Hitler

Wernher von Braun is a rocket engineer forever associated with Hitler.

Germany is a country forever associated with Hitler.

7 posted on 10/18/2018 9:08:07 AM PDT by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrat's John Dean])
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To: ClearCase_guy

We delude ourselves if we think inspiration comes from within ourselves. The origin of inspiration comes from “in the spirit”. What influences, us influences our creation. We do not wrestle with flesh and blood but with spirits. if the spirit that influences us is good then the nature of our creation is good. If the spirit that influences us is evil then our creation is evil


8 posted on 10/18/2018 9:09:20 AM PDT by jimfr
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Reminds me of a note I once saw in a restroom where someone had written on a piece of paper, “If toilet is running, wiggle handel”.
Someone else wrote under that, “If I wiggle handel will he wiggle Bach?”.


9 posted on 10/18/2018 9:10:48 AM PDT by LouieFisk
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

LAY like a bolt ... etc.


10 posted on 10/18/2018 9:11:57 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true, I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Saw one of the early cycle wagner operas. Thought it was a giant curse on the crowd. Felt like I needed a shower afterwards

Wagner was reverse engineered by Lord of the Rings into a giant blessing.


11 posted on 10/18/2018 9:12:37 AM PDT by ckilmer
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She’s sweet on Wagner
I think she’d die for Beethoven
She loves the way Puccini lays down a tune
And Verdi’s always creeping from her room

ELO - Rockaria


12 posted on 10/18/2018 9:14:36 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Wagner’s sick mind aside, I just don’t like his music. But German/Austrian compositions of the late romantic era (Wagner, R. Strauss, Mahler, Brahms, Bruckner, etc.) aren’t my cup of tea in general.


13 posted on 10/18/2018 9:16:12 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Not every German was a Nazi. There was once a sort of nobility associated with Germany that the Nazis forever destroyed. Will some socialist arise in the U.S. as well, doing the same to our American dream? If people like Obama and Clinton get their way.


14 posted on 10/18/2018 9:17:46 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: EEGator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG2_wOorgjU
15 posted on 10/18/2018 9:18:01 AM PDT by ThinkingBuddha
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To: ckilmer

“What’s Opera, Doc?” and Ride of the Valkyries in “Apocalypse Now” is as close as I get to Wagnerian music.

Except there’s a vid of this hot Russian chick playing the Tannhauser overture on piano. Worth watching.


16 posted on 10/18/2018 9:20:26 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam. Buy ammo.")
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

By the way........exactly this kind of wallowing in the misery of the past.....this ridiculous pretense that all of modern German history since the Napoleonic wars was an inevitable prelude to Hitler....what I call the “all roads lead to Hitler” idea is exactly why Germany is such a self loathing, spineless, multi-Kulti mess today despite having a lot of things going for it.

It happened. It was hideously awful but....in the end it was 12 years. It was not all of German history. It was not the inevitable product of a uniquely sick culture. Having some pride in your heritage and some self respect does not make you a Nazi. Other countries *cough* Russia, France, etc *cough* have had brutal warlike tyrants too. They moved on from them without feeling some kind of sick need to chop their own balls off to atone. It’s long past time for Germany to get over it and start acting like a normal country........that absolutely means carrying its own weight militarily instead of freeloading off of others. It also means deporting the scum of the earth they imported to take the place of the kids they never had.


17 posted on 10/18/2018 9:20:36 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Wagner: As good backwards as forwards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EbFbpZzWEs


18 posted on 10/18/2018 9:20:37 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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"Should we allow ourselves to listen to his works with pleasure, even though we know that he was an anti-Semite?"

Sure.

I imaging him spinning in his grave knowing that his music gives pleasure to this Jew.

ML/NJ

19 posted on 10/18/2018 9:21:47 AM PDT by ml/nj (.)
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To: elcid1970

"I habe ein shpeer und magic helmetz!"
20 posted on 10/18/2018 9:23:56 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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