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New podcast discussing GPS 3 and other aspects of GPS
http://tocradio.libsyn.com/episode-19 ^

Posted on 01/05/2019 7:35:27 AM PST by Richard from IL

I was recently on a podcast with an Army LtC and Captain who are stationed in Korea discussing the history of GPS.


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1 posted on 01/05/2019 7:35:27 AM PST by Richard from IL
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Everyone should still learn wilderness navigation using topo maps and compass.


2 posted on 01/05/2019 7:39:19 AM PST by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism)http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Richard from IL
First time we used it....years ago, it was about 4 hours before we could obtain a position.

About 5 years ago, it took less than two minutes.

My favorite story is my buddy....said he got to his brothers using his GPS unit with no problem.

Then I asked Richard how many times he had driven to his brothers in the last ten years.

3 posted on 01/05/2019 7:40:35 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Candor7

Agreed!


4 posted on 01/05/2019 7:45:00 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: Sacajaweau

When I driving from Chicago to Dallas two years ago, GPS saved my bacon by alerting me to a major traffic jam from a collision. By showing an alternative route which I would not have found since I didn’t know the area, it saved me an hour or two and much aggravation.


5 posted on 01/05/2019 7:48:53 AM PST by Richard from IL
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And if you are going to be in the wilderness then get a professional GPS unit. Don’t rely on your phone. But do bring your for emergency calls and you can give your position to someone in an emergency. Surprisingly, a cell phone can work sometimes.

Make sure that you put the phone in a sealed baggie.


6 posted on 01/05/2019 7:51:04 AM PST by dhs12345
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Agreed! GPS is the great legacy of my Dad to the world. My website is www.gpsdeclassified.com


7 posted on 01/05/2019 7:55:27 AM PST by Richard from IL
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To: Richard from IL
Great invention! American innovation at its best.

I was an early consumer back in the 90s and before Clinton authorized the government to unlock the precision. I have seen the evolution.

But remember too that the it can be disabled at any time. No doubt there is an on-off switch in the system. That is why people should learn how to navigate without them. That includes airplane navigation systems.

8 posted on 01/05/2019 8:03:41 AM PST by dhs12345
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That is why people should learn how to navigate without them. That includes airplane navigation systems.

As a student pilot, I used to keep my old car GPS in my pocket so that I had a backup to the old navigation stuff on the Cessna 172 which had NO GPS. On one of my cross country solo flights, it saved my sorta lost self when I was south of the airport and I thought I was north of it.

On my sailboat, I had at least THREE independent GPS units since when off the coast out of sight of land, GPS had me spoiled very quickly. But I always had charts on the airplane and the boat that allowed a DR plot to be started if the electronics failed for whatever reason.

9 posted on 01/05/2019 8:24:47 AM PST by politicianslie (OPTIMIST-Glass 1/2 full- PESSIMIST 1/2 empty TO ENGINEER, Glass is twice as big as it needs to be!)
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Great invention!

The cell phones are pretty good these days. Wonder if it uses a combination of the telephone network and the GPS to narrow down position. My GPS unit was having difficulty because of a foggy overcast day but my phone was able to find a waypoint. There wasn't a phone network in the area after we traveled a bit in a remote area.

The tricky thing for a GPS is finding the satellites and position when the GPS unit has been moved a distance. Takes longer. The telephone network can narrow down the position so that the GPS can find its position faster... if it is implemented that way.

10 posted on 01/05/2019 8:34:05 AM PST by dhs12345
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Selective availability is obsolete due to the existence of Glonass, Galileo and Beideu. But if you’re in a GPS denied area due to jamming or spoofing, you need backup systems ready to go.


11 posted on 01/05/2019 8:35:42 AM PST by Richard from IL
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Interesting. So there isn't a chance that the government might disable it in some fashion? Surprising that there isn't a provision for this. Similar with the Internet — in a time of “emergency” there would be a provision to shut it down. Selectively or completely. Call me a conspiracy nut.

Selective availability still provided reasonable accuracy, too if some kind of weapon were to be used or targeting system were to be used.

12 posted on 01/05/2019 8:45:42 AM PST by dhs12345
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My Dad in retirement was restoring covered bridges in NH and Vermont. I was driving with him circa 1992 to the different bridges and he was using a handheld Garmin to map their positions. He cursed SA for its making the positions less accurate. A large percentage of new civilian receivers use all four worldwide GNSS systems (Japan and India have regional systems). If SA was turned on for GPS, they can rely on the other three systems. So yes, SA is useless today.


13 posted on 01/05/2019 8:51:49 AM PST by Richard from IL
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To: Richard from IL

That’s good to know.


14 posted on 01/05/2019 9:03:51 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: Richard from IL

Use to collect GPS with US Air force introduced error (selective availability) and had to obtain file from a nearby CORS (CORS stands for Continuously Operating Reference Stations)to remove the errors. Some of SA error looked like a sine wave others scatter point plots.


15 posted on 01/05/2019 9:29:55 AM PST by the_daug
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Disabling GPS is a very difficult decision that would be the last step in a conflict. Worldwide GPS is used by civilians, more so than military, and if you turn it off then untold jets and ships and such would be severely hampered in their ability to operate safely.


16 posted on 01/05/2019 9:59:34 AM PST by Hulka
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Please see Post 16.

Government has the ability to turn it off. Just vary difficult to make that decision.


17 posted on 01/05/2019 10:00:47 AM PST by Hulka
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To: Richard from IL

I always wondered how effective SA was. With it enabled, there was still decent accuracy. Maybe 50ft. Certainly accurate enough for a missile targeting system. So maybe the conclusion from the government was why bother. However I do believe that there is more to SA - a simple encryption algorithm could disable the system completely.

Also, where are the other satellites positioned? Satellite positioning is important. Also, the number if satellites affects accuracy.


18 posted on 01/05/2019 10:02:47 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: Hulka

That makes sense. Thanks.


19 posted on 01/05/2019 10:03:49 AM PST by dhs12345
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Also the system runs software which allows for updates and modifications. Easy to reconfigure the individual satellites and system. There is constant communication with the constellation for health and other details.


20 posted on 01/05/2019 10:13:44 AM PST by dhs12345
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