Posted on 03/20/2019 9:33:37 PM PDT by NorseViking
The Nordstream 2 pipeline represents the last stand of U.S. influence over the internal affairs of Europe.
Once finished it will stand as a testament to the fundamental split between the European Union and the United States.
Europe will see this as its first successful defense of its newly-declared independence. And the U.S. will have to come to terms with no longer having control overseas.
This is a theme repeating itself all around the world right now.
Your view of Nordstream 2 depends on who you are.
If you are the U.S. it is a massive rebuke of the post-WWII institutional order mostly paid for by the U.S. to rebuild Europe and protect it from the scourge of the U.S.S.R. From Europe’s perspective it’s, “Job well done and all that but Russia isn’t a threat anymore and it is time for us to come out from underneath the U.S.’ shadow.” And if you are Russia, Nordstream 2 is the wedge driving these two adversaries apart while improving national security on your western border.
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Let Russia have Europe with a few exceptions like Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia.
I believe it is not about who has Europe.
Bullhockey! Ultimately they’ll regret going whole hog commie.
Right now it sounds like they are acting ‘capitalist’.
LOL ... oh ‘boo-hoo’ ... Europe and others hate Trump. Ain’t that just too bad. Maybe we can finally stop wasting all our money for the military over there. Wouldn’t that be great news ... :-)
I agree. Interfering in natural geographic markets in the name of political power is the kind of stupid shit the founding fathers warned us about.
It’s hard to let Russia have France and Germany while keeping those states safe.
Why is this lunatic conspiracy site that’s never been right about anything back? Do I smell a zot?
I think people who were duped into investing into it are starting to wake up.
“Let Russia have Europe with a few exceptions like Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia.”
I agree. Western Europe will need the Russians (or Chinese) to come in there and save them from themselves...they seem TOTALLY INCOMPETENT to do that on their own.
Wow. You’re right.
They need the Russian military to get rid of the muzzie problem.
Which pretty much entails NO rules of engagement.
They’re lost anyway. Better off we have a Russian problem there than a muzzie problem.
You got the “acting” right.
Ummm. . .we didn’t have control over them before. The socialist European countries have been spitting in our face for decades, and we paid them to do it. Now, at least they’re going to have to do it for free.
Besides, we weren’t shipping them oil anyway! From the 1970’s to 2015, we left them at the mercy of the middle east and Russia.
It seems like literally everyone has fallen for a political expaination of this problem which is purely commercial on Russian side. Europe is more useful for Russia as a customer than in any other role.
My take is that some 15 years ago some NWO type with strong ties to DC establishment were looking into a European energy market and thought why won’t I have it? The judgement was made purely out of greed based on a size of the market and enormous money circulating there without deep research into the economy of the idea based on a belief that the political power would compensate this deficiency.
The economy behind the idea is getting worse by the day but too much is invested already so the political pressure to strangle more viable competitors increases.
ZeroHedge’s Bulgarian owner is always high-fiving himself over how Russia is *winning*. The reality is that the Euros have always looked out for #1, including over the Russian gas pipeline during the peak of the Cold War, which Thatcher insisted on over Reagan’s objections. We disagree and find common ground on other things. Ultimately, we have no designs on European territory, and the Russians do. That’s why we will generally get along better with them than they will with the Russians. Same reason that the Asians like us better than the Chinese, whatever they might say in public to needle us.
Same reason that the Asians like us better than the Chinese, whatever they might say in public to needle us.
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Lol. America can perceive love from Asia through mind reading.
what is the battle about?
American liquefied natural gas in Europe?
American government has got more chance to persuade Mexico to pay for the border wall.
Russian gas is $4.00 mmbtu and already on market in any quantity needed making 37% of all the supply.
For US LNG you need countless billions dollars invested to get maybe 1,6% of demand covered in 10 years and at $6,50 mmbtu.
That’s one great business model.
Potential buyers might be happy because pipeline gas allegedly smells like ‘tyranny’ and LNG smells like ‘freedom’.
That alone allegedly worth the costs.
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