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With Trump’s planned rollback, it could soon cost more energy to wash Thanksgiving dishes
Market Watch ^ | 11/27/2019 | Rachel Koning Beals

Posted on 11/28/2019 3:41:23 PM PST by simpson96

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To: Dr. Sivana

Exactly why the headline is misleading. Trump is doing nothing more than getting the government out of the appliance micromanagement business.


61 posted on 11/28/2019 5:48:21 PM PST by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: simpson96

Market Watch stopped being a reliable source of any relevant news 2 decades ago.


62 posted on 11/28/2019 5:48:34 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Nanzi Pelosi Thinks/Says Americans Are Too STUPID To Elect Their President! Time for #DCEXIT!)
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To: Truth29

Well, STPP is food grade. TSP is much harsher and can be corrosive to your appliance.

Detergents with phosphates are difficult to find depending on where you live, and overpriced. Usually you have to buy the commercial stuff.

One plus of buying STPP on its own is that you can add it to your washing machine as well as your dishwasher. I don’t think there are any clothes detergents on the retail shelf with phosphates in them.

Lack of phosphates also causes crud to build up in your dishwasher, hurting an already inefficient device thanks to the EnviroTards. As well as shortening the life of the appliance.


63 posted on 11/28/2019 5:51:12 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: Mr. K

Our ancient washing machine started leaking, so I bought a new one. My wife despiseq the new one. Between water and electrical energy saving requirements, it doesn’t clean as well as what we had. It takes several minutes to sense the load. I guess it is determining how much water to add. My wife is frustrated because it won’t allow her to manipulate the water height. Soap sometimes remains on the items when it is done.


64 posted on 11/28/2019 5:51:16 PM PST by Stevenfo
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To: Sacajaweau

I have a brand new one. Just set it for heavy duty, hot wash, steam and dry. 3 hours and 25 minutes for that cycle. Stupid thing won’t even dry them all the way. But it meets all the energy standards. Stupid!!!


65 posted on 11/28/2019 5:52:21 PM PST by wgmalabama (Mittens is the new Juan. Go away mittens)
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To: be-baw
"I want to go back to high flow, high pressure shower heads, sink faucets and toilets the way they used to be. Unfortunately I don’t see that happening."

This is spades!!! Just bought an older house with all the old water flow hook ups. Washer fills up to the top if needs be, and quick. I was going to put on new hoses for the washer and they're so much thinner than what I got, forget about it! Wife wanted shower head on a hose. Switched that out and it trickles. Put back on old shower head. Sink faucet broke. Plumber put in new one. Half the damned pressure! Should have just put up with the drip.

66 posted on 11/28/2019 6:02:13 PM PST by Dogbert41 (Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord!)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Well, if water usage is unlimited and BTUs are unlimited, sure.


67 posted on 11/28/2019 6:03:45 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: wgmalabama

omg....I put in on short wash...Cascade Pods....no heat dry. I open it as soon as it stops the wash rinse cycle.
I’m sure it’s only about half an hour...And they’re spotless...


68 posted on 11/28/2019 6:09:15 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: steve86

But taking twice as long, one uses more energy. Unless the rate of using energy is half, or less.
And if the device has to be used twice... forgetabotit.


69 posted on 11/28/2019 6:11:02 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: PIF

Is it the dishwasher or the soap which had a vital ingredient removed by regulation?

It was phosphorus.


70 posted on 11/28/2019 6:21:24 PM PST by Kenny500c
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To: simpson96

So nice that MarketWatch is concerned about how much we spend on energy.

How about we let the MARKET decide? Have the manufacturers make BOTH types of dishwashers? Model A can dry in 2-1/2 hours and cost 10 cents to run. Model B can dry in 1 hour and cost 12 cents to run. Then the CONSUMER can decide which is best for them.

I never understood how a machine that takes over twice as long to run with a weaker heating element would cost less to run than a machine that dries more quickly with a stronger heating element. It defies common sense.

I can just see the pointed-headed academics at DOE rubbing their hands with glee and musing “This will really bug those deplorables! We’ll make their dishwashers run REALLY long for no improvement in anything.”


71 posted on 11/28/2019 6:23:13 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: simpson96

Last dishwasher we had in the 90s worked great and lasted forever. The one we bought 5 years ago is crap. Doesn’t work half as well

connection??


72 posted on 11/28/2019 6:23:16 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Viking2002

Rachel Koning Beals does seem to be one of those who KNOWS exactly how you should live your life and exactly WHAT you should buy and precisely HOW MUCH energy you should consume.

Shouldn’t we be thankful that there are so my of her type looking out for us and enriching our lives with their wisdom and concern?


73 posted on 11/28/2019 6:25:40 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: be-baw

Low flow toilets suck.


74 posted on 11/28/2019 6:26:36 PM PST by Luke21
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To: Luke21

Buy and use some TSP in the dishwasher and it will work again. the guberment made them take out the TSP from the dishwasher soap.


75 posted on 11/28/2019 6:30:25 PM PST by oldasrocks (Heavily Medicated for your Protection.)
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To: steve86
Well, if water usage is unlimited and BTUs are unlimited, sure.

The manufacturers have had to put those big bright yellow stickers on dishwashers for a long time. The buyers can still get those dishwashers that take much longer, and sometimes need special extra expensive Calgon, if they choose. The electric bill will put a control on electricity abuse. Some of the new dishwashers are not only slower, but the dishes don't come out as clean, calling for a rewash.
76 posted on 11/28/2019 6:47:27 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: simpson96
With Trump’s planned rollback, it could soon cost more energy to wash Thanksgiving dishes

Only Marxistwatch could come up with a headline as stupid as this. I honestly don't know how anybody could possibly be solvent if they followed the advice of Marxistwatch. I don't think any of the people who comment there, or write articles for them have ever invested a single dime in the stock market.

Exactly how does one "invest" in communism, which is what they advocate?

77 posted on 11/28/2019 6:48:29 PM PST by Sirius Lee (They are openly stating that they intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live.>>>)
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To: oldasrocks
Buy and use some TSP in the dishwasher and it will work again. the guberment made them take out the TSP from the dishwasher soap.

I used to be able to get Calgon with TSP at the GFS store, which sold detergent for commercial enterprises. I don't know if there is still a commercial grade exemption. Those old commercial Hobart dishwashers would do a load in 10 minutes, they were great!
78 posted on 11/28/2019 6:49:15 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

They really help getting those packing peanuts that come with my ammo boxes roaring. I could send smoke signals into Canada with what they produce.


79 posted on 11/28/2019 7:26:00 PM PST by GreyHoundSailor
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To: be-baw

“I want to go back to high flow, high pressure shower heads, sink faucets and toilets the way they used to be.”

EXACTLY! Plenty of water where I live, but faucets run soooo slow.


80 posted on 11/28/2019 7:28:08 PM PST by ncpatriot
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