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Flu rates drop like rocks, vivid rises, any epidimeological connection?

Posted on 03/31/2020 9:20:40 PM PDT by Manly Warrior

So, I perused CDC site devoted to 2019-2020 flu rates, they are dropping like rocks, along with mortality rates. Meanwhile, the same population groups are suffering badly from covid19; is there any connection? I mean, are not the same folks who would suffer worst and possibly die from complications from the flu strains, suffer worst from covid19 as well? Is there an equilibrium if these two hazards after it is all over and done?

22k Americans died from flu this season so far, a bad season. When does the shift from flu to covid19 equate to a comparative total or are we really going to see 200k+ people dead from covid19? Hmmm.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: covid19; flu
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1 posted on 03/31/2020 9:20:40 PM PDT by Manly Warrior
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To: Manly Warrior

Do you have a link to those pages? Please share. Many thanks!


2 posted on 03/31/2020 9:23:49 PM PDT by antonia (Pants up, don't loot! #MAGA)
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To: Manly Warrior
Meanwhile, the same population groups are suffering badly from covid19; is there any connection?

Yep, all the social distancing efforts are affecting things. There was an item locally in the S.F. Bay Area that a big local health-care provider Kaiser Permanente says that plain old colds and flu are down like 50%.
3 posted on 03/31/2020 9:25:09 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: Manly Warrior

USC medical team at ER and urgent care just published an article in JAMA about the drop in flu diagnoses in January through March duing the rise in cases of SARS2. I don’t have a link, sorry.


4 posted on 03/31/2020 9:26:37 PM PDT by The Westerner (Protect the most vulnerable: get the government out of medicine, education and forests!)
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To: antonia
That would be pretty amazing ... and revealing data.

A while ago I read the question asked;

Are people dying OF COVID19 or WITH COVID19 ?

And a third element can now be added .... Is the COVID19 handle being placed on NORMAL Flu stats and being called a pan/epi demic ? ?

5 posted on 03/31/2020 9:26:49 PM PDT by knarf
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To: Manly Warrior

Bump for later


6 posted on 03/31/2020 9:27:27 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Democrats don't care if we are in soup lines as long as they get to ladle it)
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To: Manly Warrior

Let’s add the two total death counts and compare to other Flu Seasons?

Trump could be saving more from the Flu.


7 posted on 03/31/2020 9:27:29 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Manly Warrior; null and void
null called it - if everyone is hand-washing and being ultra sanitary, the inevitable collateral impact will be fewer cases of influenza.

I would also note that social distancing where you and your signifant other are stuck inside 24/7 will have other collateral impacts in the fourth quarter:


8 posted on 03/31/2020 9:28:12 PM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: knarf

Hmmm, you have my attention!
Wonder if the other pandemic numbers mirror the same drop?


9 posted on 03/31/2020 9:29:35 PM PDT by rainee (Her)
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To: Manly Warrior
22k Americans died from flu this season so far, a bad season.

Actually that is a rather mild flu season fatality number.

Either 2017-2018 or 2018-2019 saw 61,000 die in the U.S., don't remember which one.

10 posted on 03/31/2020 9:29:38 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: irishjuggler

Will the yearly flu season be used as a new reason to deprive us of our constitutional rights five months out of each year?


11 posted on 03/31/2020 9:31:45 PM PDT by Persevero (I am afraid propriety has been set at naught. - Jane Austen)
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Meanwhile, the same population groups are suffering badly from covid19; is there any connection?

/Tinfoil Hat on

Maybe they're just calling all colds and flu Covid-19 to bump up the numbers and justify the artificial hysteria and pandemic panic.

/Tinfoil Hat off

12 posted on 03/31/2020 9:32:13 PM PDT by rllngrk33 (Time for all patriotic Americans to boycott liberals and all SJW/PC bullsh*t.)
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To: Manly Warrior

Here’s the link to the article published today:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2764137?guestAccessKey=d9058950-d232-4182-b0e4-9739b09a0923&utm_source=silverchair&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=article_alert-jama&utm_content=olf&utm_term=033120


13 posted on 03/31/2020 9:33:31 PM PDT by The Westerner (Protect the most vulnerable: get the government out of medicine, education and forests!)
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To: rllngrk33
Maybe they're just calling all colds and flu Covid-19 to bump up the numbers and justify the artificial hysteria and pandemic panic.

I imagine that a normal flu or cold which may or may not result in pneumonia would weaken the body's resistance to Covid-19.

14 posted on 03/31/2020 9:36:46 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (BLACK LIVES MAGA)
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To: DoodleBob

That and the flu season is typically over by the end of March.


15 posted on 03/31/2020 9:37:01 PM PDT by TigersEye (MAGA - 16 more years! - KAG)
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To: Persevero

I certainly hope not, nor do I think that will happen. But I do hope that we all remember to wash our hands more and not to touch our faces!


16 posted on 03/31/2020 9:37:10 PM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: Manly Warrior

Interesting, and more good news.


17 posted on 03/31/2020 9:38:21 PM PDT by Widget Jr
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To: knarf
COVID-19 is not diagnosed without a positive test, and testing has been frugal in many locales. No way flu patients are tossed into the COVID-19 category to fluff stats.

In fact, it is suspected a substnatial number of patients diagnosed with influenza over the past two months:

1. tested negative for influeza A or B actually had COVID-19 before testing was available.

2. had both influenza and COVID-19. Once CoV testing was available, patients were positive for both CoV and influenza.

The epidemiologists are back-tracing serology tests to determine how many diagnosed influenza cases were actually CoV. This will take time.

18 posted on 03/31/2020 9:43:05 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Rush is a national treasure.)
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To: Manly Warrior
So, I perused CDC site devoted to 2019-2020 flu rates, they are dropping like rocks, along with mortality rates

Because of COVID-19 doctors, nurses, and hospital staff are now using the sterilization procedures they should have been using in the past and all along.

One thing we're hopefully going to get from this is hospitals will STRICTLY ENFORCE proper patient-to-patient hygiene. If they do we'll likely see fewer deaths in hospitals from cross contamination.

No more going to the hospital for hernia surgery and dying from hepatitis.

19 posted on 03/31/2020 9:45:21 PM PDT by yesthatjallen
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Maybe they're just calling all colds and flu Covid-19 to bump up the numbers and justify the artificial hysteria and pandemic panic.

Quite the opposite. A few short weeks ago, when COVID-19 testing was rare and stingy, doctors were told to test for influenza. If the patient was influenza positive, the patient was sent home without also testing for CoV. A few facilities were "permitted" to test for both. This is when many cases of dual influenza and CoV infections were identified.

20 posted on 03/31/2020 9:49:42 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Rush is a national treasure.)
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