Posted on 08/10/2020 5:03:10 AM PDT by impimp
It’s just the flu, bro.
Coronavirus deaths are dropping nationally. It’s all about applying the pressure to politicians now. They often don’t change policies instantly - pressure on them now to end the lockdowns will pay off down the road.
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Great to see recreational basketball and baseball ramping up where I live in the suburbs of Houston. Swimming, football and water polo are still not competing. Are youth sports competing where you are or are they still too shut down?
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I know it is not a principled stand that I am taking by doing this but wearing a mask and just keeping it below the nose is tolerable. I breathe through my nose anyway and I have only had one person tell me my mask was on wrong so far (I 100% ignored what that person said). This technique is good enough to get me into church, kids’ sports, and the very rare shopping that I do.
Yet, whether person X wears a mask or not can affect you - if person X is an asymptomatic carrier.
That’s plausible. Very plausible
I heard a doctor describe wearing a mask for COVID as like throwing a fistful of sand at a chain link fence.
Will it stop some of it? Yeah.
But likely not enough to do you any good.
That would require everyone to wear N-95 and above
and sufficient supplies of those will never exist.
Since Feb. 1, 11,371 Americans under 55 have died of #Covid (most with serious comorbidities).
189,592 have died of all other causes.
CV is not going to be the end of humanity.
You seem pretty stuck on having the math prove things.
So, how about this statement:
“never develop symptoms yet PROBABLY spread the virus”.
Can you provide the mathematical steps in finding “probably”?
Is it long-hair stuff involving derivatives and integrals or just plain old “math”.
and the appropriate fit testing. and appropriate disposal. and even N95 isn’t that great at filtering viral particles
never before has something come so close to destroying our great nation as we know it since the CW. A coordinated systematic attack on this country has been underway for several decades right under our noses. this hyped BS is just another attempt to take out another chunk of the foundation of America.
To wallow in this BS drama is to aid and abet these vile hater Marxists. WAKE UP !! Their success or failure depends on us. Wear a mask, but don’t help these freaks use “fake math” as a weapon !
yea, FAKE MATH
EAT THE OVER-EDUCATED
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If you like your mask, you can keep your mask.
Just keep it to yourself and your fascist buddies.
The last IFR number I saw from CDC was 0.65% back in mid July (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html Table 1). Do you have a more updated number from them?
All the recent studies (really everything I’ve seen since early June) has said the IFR is between 0.64% and 0.66% (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.11.20098780v1 and https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3635047). It seems like that’s become the overall consensus from researchers around the world, but I could also have missed something.
The notion of restricted churches goes back to the bible:
1 Corinthians 11 discusses the exclusion on members from receiving communion if they are not worthy. Not to turn Flubros into a theology bashing session but I thought I would point out that from the early days the Christian church imposed restrictions on its own members and who can do what. I see a scriptural basis, regardless of your denomination, for a church pastor to have the power to impose restrictions on its members.
the last headlines i saw from the cdc was around 0.26% but it changes all the time. the point is it is well under 1% and still falling. We are also getting better at treating. our death rate in ventilators now is around 25% and dropping
1. You are the one exaggerating it calling it the end of humanity. It’s not. But it’s not just the flu either
2. Why are you limiting it only to under 55s? Or are the 60 year olds expendable for you?
3. The death rate if the under 55s is still higher than their death rate from flu.
4. Just 11k out of 200k deaths is still 5% that could have been minimized and/or reduced.
Compared to most other viral infections, SARS-CoV-2 produces an unusually high level of viral particles in the upper respiratory tract – specifically the nose and mouth. When those viral particles escape into the environment, that is called viral shedding.
Researchers have found that pre-symptomatic people shed the virus at an extremely high rate, similar to the seasonal flu. But people with the flu don’t normally shed virus until they have symptoms.
The location of the shedding is also important. SARS-CoV – the virus that caused the SARS epidemic in 2003 – does not shed very much from the nose and mouth. It replicates deep in the lungs. Since SARS-CoV-2 is present in high numbers in a person’s nose and mouth, it is that much easier for the virus to escape into the environment.
No probably but simple numbers. Up to 14 days with no symptoms. During that time you spread the virus.
“I see a scriptural basis, regardless of your denomination, for a church pastor to have the power to impose restrictions on its members.”
In our church, it’s left up to the members’ own self searching to decide whether they’re in a right relationship with God and other Christians. If they are, they take communion; if they aren’t, they abstain.
I grew up in a parsonage, have many relatives who are/were pastors, and a ton of seminary friends who are as well. They aren’t spiritually or emotionally qualified to have power to impose restrictions on members regarding communion. That’s between God and his children, one-on-one. IMHO.
If there are true issues with a member, then it’s up to a leadership group such as deacons or elders to counsel with the fallen member. A minister never should have 100% control over the church.
There is no such thing as fake maths. 164k dead out of 5 million cases is 3.24% death rate. Nothing fake about that
After the sunscreen come the armbands you are saying? Sheesh you know how to do reductio ad absurdum
Up to 14 days incubation based on observations of millions of cases, not haffast statements.
Best I can tell, the IFR estimates have been stable since late June in that 0.64-0.66% range. Certainly not smallpox by any means, but also not trivial. Definitely glad to hear treatments are continuing to improve. My hope is always to preserve lives. I know there are a few new drugs under investigation as possible treatments as well and hopefully one or more of those help save some lives.
Ultimately, I think this all ends with one or more safe and effective vaccines deployed. It seems President Trump agrees as he’s poured a lot of money and effort into that route. And I think it was a brilliant move to finance production of candidates parallel to the phase 3 clinical trials. That alone will save months, and that means lives (about 20,000 - 30,000 per month).
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