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Marines’ Rifle Qualification Overhaul May Mean Fewer Expert Badges
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Posted on 09/19/2020 4:52:37 PM PDT by AggregateThreat

The new Annual Rifle Qualification (ARQ) will replace Annual Rifle Training (ART) with a challenging new course of fire that forces Marines to apply basic marksmanship skills in a more dynamic environment, which will include moving targets and night shooting scenarios.

The Marine Corps marksmanship community, recognizing the need to focus on lethality instead of standard marksmanship, drafted the new ARQ course of fire in October 2018 at the annual Combat Marksmanship Symposium.

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TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: banglist; marines; usmc
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1 posted on 09/19/2020 4:52:37 PM PDT by AggregateThreat
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To: AggregateThreat

Sounds like fun.


2 posted on 09/19/2020 4:59:30 PM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ( Deplorable, and proud of it.)
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To: AggregateThreat

In boot camp I barely qualified as a Marksman. But I did!


3 posted on 09/19/2020 4:59:46 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: AggregateThreat

The Marine Corps are serious about marksmanship, but their known range marksmanship tables are very outdated. Years ago, the Army adopted a marksmanship program designed for combat engagments; different ranges, random targets, target hit vs. O ring scoring. If someone could blend the Army qualification system with the USMC attention to standards and high performance, you would have a winner. This sounds like what the Marines are doing. Good for them.


4 posted on 09/19/2020 5:06:00 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: AggregateThreat

Good idea.


5 posted on 09/19/2020 5:06:40 PM PDT by captain_dave
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To: centurion316
Sounds about right.

I'll never forget earning an Air Force Small Arms Marksmanship Ribbon shooting at stationary targets at various distances. Didn't seem too challenging. It wasn't.

A year later I was deployed with a US Army unit (due to certain special talents I possessed that suddenly became highly desirable to Uncle Sam). During in-transit training at an Army Post in Germany I went through an Army shooting range exercise .... with pop-up and moving targets on a simulated natural landscape and no set order as to when they appeared ... lets just say it was a bit more challenging than my USAF marksmanship range experience ...

6 posted on 09/19/2020 5:12:33 PM PDT by Simon Foxx
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To: READINABLUESTATE

Thats the training i want. Practical shooting courses.


7 posted on 09/19/2020 5:26:47 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: AggregateThreat
When I was in boot camp during 1981, we would "spot" fellow recruits rather generously while in the butts. I would say we added a good 20 points to every score on average.
8 posted on 09/19/2020 5:29:34 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Orange Man GOOD!)
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To: AggregateThreat

Wow. It actually sounds like they are increasing standards for change. Absolutely approve. Our men in the military should spend a majority of their time perfecting killing and breaking things.


9 posted on 09/19/2020 5:35:55 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA ("War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength." - George Orwell, 1984)
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To: Simon Foxx

In the Navy we practiced hitting the ocean with a .50 Caliber machine gun.


10 posted on 09/19/2020 5:36:22 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AggregateThreat

....and? Waiting on the part that is supposed to make it more “difficult”...


11 posted on 09/19/2020 5:41:52 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: AggregateThreat

Solid marksmanship doth cover a multitude of sins.


12 posted on 09/19/2020 6:03:11 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: AggregateThreat

Am I missing something? I always viewed marksmanship and tactics as separate components. If someone has good marksmanship skills, then there is a solid foundation that can be built upon. It then makes it easier to teach tactics.

It is similar to the concept of teaching someone to spar. If you just throw them in a ring, they will likely eventually ‘figure it out’. But teaching them good basic techniques such as punch, kicking and blocking first; that learning curve is greatly reduced, and it can help to prevent the pick-up of bad habits.


13 posted on 09/19/2020 6:06:25 PM PDT by voicereason (The RNC is like the "one-night stand" you wish you could forget.)
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To: centurion316

According to the article, only a “destroy” hit on the target will be counted. That is a big change that will focus the shooter’s attention on firing their weapon even more accurately.

This new ARQ course assumes that the Marine already has sound marksmanship fundamentals: natural target alignment to shooting position, proper breathing, trigger control, and sight alignment. Sound marksmanship also means having spent enough time on the range shooting under instruction so that the shooter can figure out the “WHY” when they’re not hitting the target. This ARQ course is probably for Marines once they have completed traditional marksmanship training in boot camp and gone onto their fleet and base duty assignments.

From the description in the article, the course seems designed to simulate firing while closing on an enemy objective: start firing slowly at 500 meters then close in by bounds to finish with a single quick shot at 25 meters. Sort of surprised they don’t have the Marines fix bayonets and make a final assault firing and throwing flashbang and smoke grenades, just to tie a bow on it.

Of late, there is a lot of interest expressed in Marine Corps infantry circles on using suppressed weapons. Not sure how far acquisition has progressed or how broadly the suppressors will be distributed. Suppressors change weapon ballistics. So, will the Marines whose weapons routinely have suppressors mounted be required to qualify using them on at least part of the course?


14 posted on 09/19/2020 6:13:42 PM PDT by Captain Rhino (When the enemy is making a major strategic blunder, DO NOT interrupt him.e)
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To: AndyJackson

LOL


15 posted on 09/19/2020 6:36:54 PM PDT by alternatives? (If our borders are not secure, why fund an army?)
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To: AggregateThreat

My son was the platoon high shooter in basic. He is doing his re-qual this weekend. He hopes to shoot expert again, wish him luck.


16 posted on 09/19/2020 6:37:25 PM PDT by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches anything.)
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To: AggregateThreat

Show what one motivated Marine and his rifle can do.


17 posted on 09/19/2020 6:40:43 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: AndyJackson
In the Navy we practiced hitting the ocean with a .50 Caliber machine gun.

In Air Force Basic, we practiced putting our hands up when the piece of crap M-16 jammed on the .22LR conversion for the tenth time in 27 rounds.

They didn’t trust us to clear the jams. Given some of the guys I was shooting with, they were right not too. I had more rounds in my target than what I was given to shoot.

18 posted on 09/19/2020 7:17:25 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (There are two kinds of people: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.)
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To: AggregateThreat
" new Annual Rifle Qualification (ARQ) will replace Annual Rifle Training (ART) ..."

Changes nothing in boot camp...
Marksmanship basics are essential (in boot camp) to effectively use weapons for any type of firefight tactics... Except, possibly, when the enemy is inside the wire...

Killing the enemy without firing your weapon is another basic-training essential... At least it should be...

Course I'm biased by the fact that at Parris Island, in June 1951, we had drill instructors who had fought the japs and/or had been, recently, on the Korean Peninsular and experienced the chicom tsunami that rolled across the Yalu...

19 posted on 09/19/2020 9:06:50 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is Sam Adams now that we desperately need him)
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To: AndyJackson

Mr. browning had his shit together.


20 posted on 09/19/2020 9:18:42 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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