Posted on 04/14/2016 1:49:07 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Natural born clause: Meant to make sure divided loyalties at birth could never assume office.
Todays translation: as long as one thing at birth was remotely American you can assume office. King George son for VP!
The unfortunate part is we all are going to find out what the natural born clause was meant to prevent. (As we really need a reminder after 8yrs of non NBC, British royal subject daddy having Obama)
“I, myself, have consistently maintained that Ted Cruz is an NBC, under my understanding of the law.”
Understanding of the law? What law? Naturalization laws passed by Congress cannot overrule the Constitution.
The Constitution requires that a president be “natural born”. Every since 1789, students were taught, based on the writers of the Constitution’ own definition (Naturalization Act of 1790), that that meant born of citizen parents in the United States, and exclusively, the father. For them, citizenship descended from the father.
Cruz is ineligible.
A finding now would be too early. Wait until Cruz faces Hillary, then the “right” judge will find Cruz is not NBC.
I strongly suggest you read JR’s post of last evening.
This internecine bickering, more like 3d grade playground girls hair-pulling fights rather then on the issues, is dragging us all down.... hard.
Mr. Trump has his points. All Mr. Cruz’s supporters need to recognize that.
Mr. Cruz has his points. All Mr. Trump’s supporters need to recognize that.
If that is too hard for some to do, I would remind you of the words of F. W. deKlark, the last white president of South Africa said, (referring to his agreement with Mr. Mandela) “Of course I made peace, and a commitment to work together, with my former enemy. One does not need to make peace with your friends.”
We had ALL better start debating this nomination and making it about the issues, as gentlemen, rather than about personalities as spoiled adult children having temper tantrums.
If we do not, Hillary will win simply by pointing out the fools we have been up until now.
I hope we ALL read and heed JR’s wisdom of last night, and # 25 above.
The unfortunate part is we all are going to find out what the natural born clause was meant to prevent
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Going to find out? Where have you been the last seven years.
Barry Soetoro/Barack Hussein Obama should be proof enough of the wisdom of the founders when they tried to prevent him from being President by requiring someone who could only be a US citizen and nothing else.
Born here of citizen parents.
Naturally a US citizen because there is no other possibility.
One cannot be anything else and also be a natural born citizen.
Obama told us he was born a British Subject.
Who believes Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Jay, Monroe, Madison, etc. would have found him to be a natural born citizen?
Usurpation Day, January 20, 2009, happened with the complete cooperation of both parties.
They want the Constitution changed without the hassle of amending the Constitution.
Confuse people about the clear meaning of a three word phrase and voila, every anchor baby and Winston Churchill is eligible.
The bench was the reason the GOP went along with the fig leaf resolution for McCain that was used by the Democrats as cover for Obama.
Jindal, Rubio, Haley and Cruz were all up and comers and the future of the party and ineligible.
Actually, no.
I’m sorry, but you have 1790 completely backwards.
While some constitutional issues are truly difficult, with framing-era sources either nonexistent or contradictory, here, the relevant materials clearly indicate that a “natural born Citizen” means a citizen from birth with no need to go through naturalization proceedings. The Supreme Court has long recognized that two particularly useful sources in understanding constitutional terms are British common law
Both confirm that the original meaning of the phrase “natural born Citizen” includes persons born abroad who are citizens from birth based on the citizenship of a parent.
As to the British practice, laws in force in the 1700s recognized that children born outside of the British Empire to subjects of the Crown were subjects themselves and explicitly used “natural born” to encompass such children.
These statutes provided that children born abroad to subjects of the British Empire were “natural-born Subjects . . . to all Intents, Constructions, and Purposes whatsoever.”
The Framers, of course, would have been intimately familiar with these statutes and the way they used terms like “natural born,” since the statutes were binding law in the colonies before the Revolutionary War. They were also well documented in Blackstone’s Commentaries,
No doubt informed by this longstanding tradition, just three years after the drafting of the Constitution, the First Congress established that children born abroad to U.S. citizens were U.S. citizens at birth, and explicitly recognized that such children were “natural born Citizens (under the The Naturalization Act of 1790) provided that “the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States
The actions and understandings of the First Congress are particularly persuasive because so many of the Framers of the Constitution were also members of the First Congress. That is particularly true in this instance, as eight of the eleven members of the committee that proposed the natural born eligibility requirement to the Convention served in the First Congress and none objected to a definition of “natural born Citizen” that included persons born abroad to a citizen parent.
Did you miss the part that talks about needing a reminder after 8yrs of non NBC, British royal suject daddy having Obama?
If Cruz is nominated, and so Hillary ends up having reason to go to court to uphold Article II, I, 5 of the US Constitution and succeeds, it will be the one good thing to have come out of her sorry career and the one thing that future generations will remember her for with gratitude.
And perhaps it will be for this that lyin’ cheatin’ Ted was anointed by God to accomplish. That it is he that will be the tool that God will us to ensure that never again will a usurper such as Obama occupies the white house again.
And, sadly it also means that President Horribillary will the instrument of God’s judgement for this nation’s sins.
that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens:
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The fact that they wrote that they “shall be considered as”
clearly indicates they are not without this.
This was repealed when they realized their error and the subsequent 1795 law removed the natural born citizen language.
No, the proof is already there for those with eyes to see.
I’d say Cruz is more viable than a pirate real-estate mogel.
I believe he understands the Constitution and and flaws of government better than someone who has gamed the system.
“Both confirm that the original meaning of the phrase “natural born Citizen” includes persons born abroad who are citizens from birth based on the citizenship of a parent.”
“a parent”? You cannot find that. Anywhere.
The Naturalization Act of 1790 describes citizenship as descending from the father only. That even applied to naturalization laws until about 1930, when it was changed by the Supreme Court. Of course, the Supreme Court cannot amend the Constitution with their rulings, so natural born still stands.
You honestly think that the founders really believed that a man who was a citizen of another country, had the ability to engender natural born citizenship status to his son born in a foreign country? When those same founders wrote by law that citizenship descended only from the father?
Have you ever wondered, in the deepest recesses of your heart and mind, why Cruz will not release his citizenship verification documents? If it is only the documentation he used when he applied for his driver’s license in Texas.
But he sure does not meet Article II, I, 5 does he?
I am so sick of these liberal judges turning the constitution and the law upside down. Never in the history of our nation, until now, have things been so twisted and so sick, everything so perverted and upside down, good is called evil and good is called evil. Where there is no vision, the people are lost.
“Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned.
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.”
I am glad I am old, if these things were true at the end of WW-1, how much more so are they true now! And we just let these strange new “truths” pass for always true, that a man who is born to a Cuban father in Canada is natural born, and we do not blink an eye . . . truly we are a lost people and a lost country!
Well, you gotta sleep too.
The naturalization act of 1790 was repealed five years later. You left that part out!
Yes it was, and it has been replaced numerous times since.
Meaningless
The current law is USC 1401, by which Mr. Cruz is clearly a NBC
Legal mental masturbation.
And the current law is USC 1401, by which he is clearly a NBC.
A distinction without a difference...
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