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Why Canít Democrats Give Trump Credit on North Korea? (From the Left)
The Atlantic ^ | June 15, 2018 | Peter Beinart

Posted on 06/15/2018 3:50:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The Singapore summit actually made the world a safer place. The president’s critics won’t admit it.

For congressional Democrats, it’s payback time. Ever since 2015, when Barack Obama struck a nuclear deal with Iran, prominent Republicans—including Donald Trump and his top foreign policy advisers—have accused Obama and his Democratic supporters of, in Mike Pompeo’s words, “surrender.” They’ve accused Obama of signing a deal that doesn’t meaningfully restrain Iran’s nuclear ambitions and, by seeking a warmer relationship with its regime, of betraying Iran’s long-suffering people.

The irony, therefore, is nearly irresistible. In his nuclear summit this week in Singapore, Trump gave up more—and got less—than Obama did with Iran. He flattered Kim Jong Un in ways Obama never flattered Hassan Rouhani or Ayatollah Khamenei. And so, having been offered a free shot on goal, congressional Democrats are taking it. It’s satisfying to expose your political adversaries as frauds.

But the Democrats are wrong. They’re not wrong that Trump proved a weaker, dumber negotiator than Obama. They’re wrong to suggest that makes the Singapore summit a failure. In their desire to prove themselves savvy and tough, Democrats are proving myopic. And they’re making themselves de facto allies of ultra-hawks like John Bolton, who may try to derail the Trump-Kim peace process, and revive the threat of war....

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TOPICS: Campaign News; Issues; U.S. Congress; U.S. Senate
KEYWORDS: iran; korea; obama; trump
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1 posted on 06/15/2018 3:50:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The chickens haven’t hatched yet.

Not that they’ll give him any credit then.


2 posted on 06/15/2018 3:51:13 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Because they suck and don’t wish them any ill only they shouldn’t live too long.


3 posted on 06/15/2018 3:53:12 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Midterm elections.


4 posted on 06/15/2018 3:58:28 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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Why Can’t Democrats Give Trump Credit on North Korea? The Singapore summit actually made the world a safer place. The president’s critics won’t admit it.

The Left doesn't want "safe". They will fight against anything Trump does. Why? Because the ONLY thing the Left wants is Global Totalitarian Government. Trump and a strong America stand in the way of Global Totalitarian Government so they will fight, lie, cheat and steal and do whatever it takes to stop Trump and stop America.

The Delusional Hypocritical Lying Left is THE ENEMY WITHIN.

We Patriots on the Right must meet and beat them with as much determination and vitriol against theme as they have for us. The winning difference? God is on our side.

5 posted on 06/15/2018 3:58:30 PM PDT by Jim 0216 (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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-—...have accused Obama and his Democratic supporters of, in Mike Pompeo’s words, “surrender.”-—

Surrender? They think 0bama surrendered? Ha!

He never met an anti-American country or person he wasn’t willing to go the extra mile for.


6 posted on 06/15/2018 4:02:46 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

The irony, therefore, is nearly irresistible. In his nuclear summit this week in Singapore, Trump gave up more—and got less—than Obama did with Iran.


Absolute insanity. Trump gave up almost nothing. Some small measure of respect to someone he is attempting to create a deal with.

In the Iran deal, Obama gave up billions in cash, hundreds of billions in sequestered bank accounts, decades of sanctions, economic access to the world, legitimization of the Iranian regime, the legal ability to process uranium, a short path to nuclear weapons in 10 years, and more.


7 posted on 06/15/2018 4:04:44 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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Peter Beinhart seems to be insane.


8 posted on 06/15/2018 4:08:51 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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The Atlantic is so far left that it is almost the Pacific.


9 posted on 06/15/2018 4:15:30 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Horse heads work!)
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> “But the Democrats are wrong. They’re not wrong that Trump proved a weaker, dumber negotiator than Obama.”

Uh-huh.

> “In their desire to prove themselves savvy and tough, Democrats are proving myopic. And they’re making themselves de facto allies of ultra-hawks like John Bolton, who may try to derail the Trump-Kim peace process, and revive the threat of war....”

These are some real confused buttkins.

May they continue to be cross-eyed and tongue-twisted under the spell of the Trump.


10 posted on 06/15/2018 4:17:58 PM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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Because they’re repulsive America/American haters.


11 posted on 06/15/2018 4:21:34 PM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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One of Hugh Hewitt’s favorites—all you need to know.


12 posted on 06/15/2018 4:22:02 PM PDT by Fungi
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They,re not wrong that Trump proved a weaker, dumber negotiator than Obama.

Stopped reading right there.


13 posted on 06/15/2018 4:57:29 PM PDT by hdbc (FUBO)
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Trump gave up more—and got less—than Obama did with Iran.

LMAO. Did Trump give them hundreds of billions, including a planeload of cash? Did he lift all or even any sanctions? Did he leave Americans being held hostage? Did he agree to all that without inspections of NK military sites, and advance warning of other inspections? No, no he did not. He gave Kim a photo op and some schmoozing, and suspended some war games that can be done elsewhere and restarted anytime. For that he got hostages in advance a commitment for complete denuclearization with no concessions in advance, and more sanctions ready to go. This guy is as delusional as those he criticizing here.

14 posted on 06/15/2018 5:03:14 PM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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Trump gave up more—and got less—than Obama did with Iran.

LMAO. Did Trump give them hundreds of billions, including a planeload of cash? Did he lift all or even any sanctions? Did he leave Americans being held hostage? Did he agree to all that without inspections of NK military sites, and advance warning of other inspections? No, no he did not. He gave Kim a photo op and some schmoozing, and suspended some war games that can be done elsewhere and restarted anytime. For that he got hostages in advance a commitment for complete denuclearization with no concessions in advance, and more sanctions ready to go. This guy is as delusional as those he criticizing here.

15 posted on 06/15/2018 5:03:15 PM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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Trump gave up more—and got less—than Obama did with Iran.

LMAO. Did Trump give them hundreds of billions, including a planeload of cash? Did he lift all or even any sanctions? Did he leave Americans being held hostage? Did he agree to all that without inspections of NK military sites, and advance warning of other inspections? No, no he did not. He gave Kim a photo op and some schmoozing, and suspended some war games that can be done elsewhere and restarted anytime. For that he got hostages in advance a commitment for complete denuclearization with no concessions in advance, and more sanctions ready to go. This guy is as delusional as those he criticizing here.

16 posted on 06/15/2018 5:03:15 PM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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He tries to give credit wherre credit is due and understands a bit better than other Democrats will admit to. But. He does not understand Donald Trump and probably no one on the Left is capable of understanding Donald Trump so he has missed most of the developments taking place. I suspect he may be right about Kim's own motivations but it took Trump to recognize them and to boost them. Obama would have simply agreed to shovel money and groceries and probably more nuclear technology at Kim and would not have tried to insert America a bit between Kim and China. Obam's treatment of Việt Nam is instructive. Obama despised any country that showed a willingness to make nice with America. He did a lot of damage to the progress of reducing repression in Việt Nam because he did not support support easing the way Bush and Clinton did.
17 posted on 06/15/2018 5:20:28 PM PDT by arthurus (ryu)
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To: BenLurkin

Same reason as why bears sheet in the woods. It’s just what they do. Don’t know any other way.


18 posted on 06/15/2018 6:48:11 PM PDT by sevinufnine (.)
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“The irony, therefore, is nearly irresistible. In his nuclear summit this week in Singapore, Trump gave up more—and got less—than Obama did with Iran. He flattered Kim Jong Un in ways Obama never flattered Hassan Rouhani or Ayatollah Khamenei”

Sums up the left perfectly: “Ignore the cash ransom Obama paid that directly financed the nuclear development we claimed to have stopped, the real concession here was Trump’s photo op with KJU.”

Literally everything is about symbolism over substance. Everything.


19 posted on 06/15/2018 6:56:59 PM PDT by MountainWalker
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LOL. Even the half-rational Dem is nuts. It is amazing the god-like image the left has invented of Obama that has nothing whatsoever to do with reality. It’s like they created someone named Obama in their minds who hasn’t the slightest similarity with the real Obama.


20 posted on 06/15/2018 7:23:17 PM PDT by FenwickBabbitt
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