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Concerned citizen

Posted on 09/28/2019 11:22:45 AM PDT by Bessellieu

Its been a long time sense I posted anything and I'm a little rusty but now I feel compelled to reach out for help. Jay Sekulow, Rudy Giuliani, Judicial Watch if any of you read this, please help.

I stand ready to file a class action lawsuit against the congress of the United States if they commit the unconstitutional act of filing impeachment charges against President Trump. The constitution says a president can only be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors. So far what they have does not even come close to that requirement.

I feel that if they impeach the President with false charges, that will leave me and millions of other Americans who voted for President Trump disenfranchised.

The House knows the Senate will not remove the President from office. They just want to campaign against him "as the impeached President". The court must not allow this unconstitutional act to stand.

Mr. President if you are reading this please file a defamation lawsuit against that little weasel Adam Schiff for reading a made up story, based completely on lies, in the Intel Committee. There are countless of people that heard that disgusting rant and thought he was reading from the official transcript. It is not alright that he came back later and said it was just a parody. The damage had already been done.


TOPICS: Maryland; U.S. Congress
KEYWORDS: congress; impeachment; trump; unconstitutional
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1 posted on 09/28/2019 11:22:45 AM PDT by Bessellieu
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To: Bessellieu

You’ll be surprised as well as they what Trump has up his sleeve, just break out the popcorn.


2 posted on 09/28/2019 11:26:54 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: Bessellieu

I would think that if it was possible that Judicial Watch would be on this.


3 posted on 09/28/2019 11:26:59 AM PDT by Jayster
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To: Bessellieu

If I recall correctly, there is some constitutional provision that members of Congress can’t be held liable for things they say in sessions of Congress. So Adam Schiff can lie as he did and can’t be legally held accountable for lies.

I believe Harry Reid was on the floor of the Senate, when he lied about Mitt Romney not paying taxes. It was because he couldn’t be legally liable for anything he said while inside of the Congress. The floors of Congress are a “safe space”.

But I get the overall point. How in the sam hill can a Congressman read into the record what was supposedly the record of what was said in the conversation in question, and then afterward say it was a parody? This dude is a parody of a Congressman.


4 posted on 09/28/2019 11:29:54 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Bessellieu
I don't see how it can be unconstitutional for the House to impeach the President given that the Constitution expressly delegates that power to the House, and that the Senate exists as a check on an unjust impeachment.

Just because we don't like or agree with something doesn't make it unconstitutional.

5 posted on 09/28/2019 11:31:38 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Bessellieu

Hamilton wrote of this in the Federalist Papers. Can’t recall where.

Basically, they can Impeach for anything they can get the public to go along with. Doesn’t matter if it breaks any Laws or not.

I used to joke back in the late 90’s that a President can be Impeached if enough of the People didn’t like his haircut.

I never saw Trump on the horizon when I said that


6 posted on 09/28/2019 11:45:52 AM PDT by digger48
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Thanks for your reply. I agree the House has the power to impeach the President. However to constitution lays out the standard for impeaching a president. I don’t see how they can impeach if they don’t met the constitutional requirement.


7 posted on 09/28/2019 11:47:07 AM PDT by Bessellieu
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To: digger48

65 & 66 that i recall


8 posted on 09/28/2019 11:49:12 AM PDT by jjotto (Next week, BOOM!, for sure!)
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To: Bessellieu
a president can only be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors

In the bug-eyes of the Democrat leadership, defeating the great and powerful Hildebeast in November, 2016, was a high crime in and of itself.

Besides, I thought that the Dems see the Constitution as a "living, breathing document". Why bother with trifles like following what a bunch of dead White guys wrote 240 years ago? It should be viewed in the context of 21st century "morals".

9 posted on 09/28/2019 11:51:51 AM PDT by ssaftler (The opinions expressed here have not been peer reviewed, fact checked or focus group tested.)
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The House IS the Constitutional requirement.

Voters can decide if the House is acting properly.

Supreme Court can’t rule because they themselves are subject to impeachment and can’t set conditions for themselves.


10 posted on 09/28/2019 11:53:42 AM PDT by jjotto (Next week, BOOM!, for sure!)
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To: Bessellieu

I’m not an attorney and I don’t play one on t.v. That said, I don’t believe Congress can be sued for this however, there is enough concerning evidence that this has been orchestrated by certain Democrats. Perhaps a class action civil suit against those involved in the collusion would be possible.


11 posted on 09/28/2019 11:55:55 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

“If I recall correctly, there is some constitutional provision that members of Congress can’t be held liable for things they say in sessions of Congress. So Adam Schiff can lie as he did and can’t be legally held accountable for lies.”

But how many times did Nancy and others say “Nobody’s above the law” Or maybe the LAW doesn’t pertain to them? I’m confused.


12 posted on 09/28/2019 11:57:03 AM PDT by GTM01
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To: Dilbert San Diego; All
"If I recall correctly, there is some constitutional provision that members of Congress can’t be held liable for things they say in sessions of Congress."

Desperate Democrats take advantage of televised sessions of Congress to trick their low-information supporters into reelecting them.

Also, each House has the power to expel bad-apple members. But when many members of a House are corrupt then, clearly, no member has to worry about being expelled.

Remember in November 2020!

MAGA! Now KAG! (Keep America Great!)

13 posted on 09/28/2019 11:59:38 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Bessellieu

This is why they will lay out the articles of impeachment. There will be articles of impeachment which spell out what “high crimes and misdemeanors” have been allegedly committed by this president.

To my knowledge, “high crimes and misdemeanors” are not precisely spelled out in the constitution or any laws. Treason and bribery are specifically spelled out as grounds for impeachment.

So as absurd as this appears now, they could impeach Trump over a phone call in which some questionable (to them) things were said.


14 posted on 09/28/2019 12:00:29 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Bessellieu

However to constitution lays out the standard for impeaching a president. I don’t see how they can impeach if they don’t met the constitutional requirement.


You need to dig a little deeper.

The founding fathers purposely left the requirement vague.

This would allow the House to impeach over something the founding fathers could not foresee.

The thing you have to remember is that impeachment is NOT a legal process, it is a political process.

As other’s have commented on the House can impeach for any reason. You should also know that the courts are powerless in this matter. They can not get involved even it they wanted to.


15 posted on 09/28/2019 12:01:36 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (I am not an expert in anything, and my opinion is just that, an opinion. I may be wrong.)
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To: GTM01

Good point


16 posted on 09/28/2019 12:02:12 PM PDT by Bessellieu
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To: Bessellieu

They are exempt. And that is the problem.


17 posted on 09/28/2019 12:08:13 PM PDT by crz
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To: GTM01

Nancy and others say “Nobody’s above the law” Or maybe the LAW doesn’t pertain to them? I’m confused.


The Constitution specifically says they cannot be held accountable for anything said in Congress. So the laws on slander and liable that cover everyone else don’t apply to their words in Congress. Adam Schiff can declare in Congress that you haven’t paid your taxes and you murdered your wife and you have no legal recourse.


18 posted on 09/28/2019 12:12:35 PM PDT by hanamizu
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To: Bessellieu
I don’t see how they can impeach if they don’t met the constitutional requirement.

Who ultimately determines the "constitutional requirement"? The U.S. Congress.......And who runs Congress today?

The only thing preventing members of Congress and the Senate from making wrong decisions is the thought of losing their next election. Judging by what has been transpiring, the Democrat members of Congress are pretty confident they can follow thru successfully with the impeachment process and get reelected.

Would it come back to bite them? I'm not so sure but by election time next year, the damage will already have been done..........

With a democrat president, a democrat Senate and a democrat Congress, you will have an out of control left wing banana republic the likes of which this country has never experienced........

19 posted on 09/28/2019 12:19:06 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I'm in the cleaning business.......I launder money)
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To: Bessellieu
The constitution says a president can only be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors.

That is true, however, what is also true is the Constitution does not define what high crimes and misdemeanors actually are. In other words it is up to Congress to determine what they are impeaching him for. On the flip side they made the conviction bar in the Senate very high, 2/3 of Senators must vote for conviction to remove the President. Since it takes 67 to convict, that means only 34 have to vote for acquittal. There are 53 Senators. So Democrats would have to get 20 Republicans, the 2 Independent Senators, and all of the Democrat Senators to vote conviction. The odds are against them them doing so. But it certainly does give cause for concern, because while we know there are some Senators who wold vote for conviction, how many actually exist is not known. However, they also have to face reelection themselves at some point in time, and President Trump's supporters would likely not stand with them if the voted for conviction and would very likely lose their reelection bid.

Clinton ran for reelection as an impeached President and it did not hurt him one bit. In fact many say it helped him. The Democrats have to worry that the same would be true for President Trump.

20 posted on 09/28/2019 3:22:01 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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