Sobran: My Obsession with Jews [for all who mistakenly think he is a valuable contributor]

Federal Observer ^ | maybe 10/30/03 | Joe Sobran

[xp38]

Um...Mahathir is the leader of Malaysia not Indonesia.

[Snuffington]

Other than a naive assessment of Israel, which sounds an awful lot like the mainstream journalism of most of Europe, where is the smoking gun in the article above? The fact that a neo-Nazi group liked it? They'd presumably like anything critical of Israel. Why should that be a surprise? Is there some damning quote in the article itself you'd like to point out?

Sobran, Charley Reese, and Pat Buchanan are all anti-Israel, and essentially all offer the same line of reasoning. I happen to think they're wrong - in some cases dazzlingly wrong. But I don't think that makes any of them anti-Semites. Their criticism is almost entirely geo-political and semi-isolationist, but it's not racial. If they truly are bigots, a bit more evidence is needed.

[jpl]

I won't retell the whole story here, except to say that my own ardent support for Israel had ended in 1982 when I realized what Israel's cruel invasion of Lebanon, led by Ariel Sharon, meant for America and for my family.

For America it meant that the Jewish lobby, including some of my neo-conservative friends (as I thought them), had gotten this country into a sticky situation: an alliance that was morally dubious and very dangerous. We were being steered into a needless war with the Arabs, hotly desired by Israel and its supporters but contrary to our own real interests.

Yeah, the Ayatollah's coup-de-tat, the seizure of our embassy, and the holding of our hostages for over a year had nothing at all to with steering us towards that war. What a moron this guy is.

[wesdale]

Which Jews and what control? This is ridiculous.

Personally, I'm starting to think this is a hoax. Somebody post a real link (to something other than neo-nazi sites or public forums.)

[r9etb]

The plague-carriers, so to speak, are the secularized, liberal, middlebrow Jews whose vulgarity sets the tone for American politics, public discourse, and popular culture. Some of them, like Steven Spielberg and Barbra Streisand, have real talent, of sorts; most of them are good at making money and aggressive in using it for their pet causes. Above all, they have a low genius for propaganda - for shaping the popular mind and its characteristic platitudes.

Well, Joe -- this is pretty damned ugly. And your "obsession" with what you call the "Jewish Party" seems like something out of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion."

Sounds to me like "anti-Semitic" is a lot more accurate than you'd want us to believe.

[Dialup Llama]

>You are making the claim it's a forgery. Prove that it is.

I'm 90% sure its a forgery. I did a google search and got 4 hits. All were web forums where posters submitted the same email article. Nowhere did the search reference an original publication which carried this article.

Sobran did write an article called Obsession with Israel (not Obession with Jews), but the body of the real Sobran article is completely different from the forgery.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

If you read his site, it isn't a stretch to say he wrote this, sad to say.

[Catspaw]

Oops, I got those countries that end in "sia" mixed up.

[dennisw]

A legend in his own mind. An obsessed, sick ba**ard. His attitudes are a lot more warped than what he has to the gnads to write here.

[wesdale]

Then post something from his site. Why waste my time with this junk.

[Steve_Seattle]

Their criticism is almost entirely geo-political and semi-isolationist, but it's not racial. If they truly are bigots, a bit more evidence is needed.

See the paragraph I quoted in post #20. Calling a group "plague carriers" is not making a geo-political statement about Israel. He is saying that Jews are corrupting our culture, and that is a racial smear.

[Steve_Seattle]

Their criticism is almost entirely geo-political and semi-isolationist, but it's not racial. If they truly are bigots, a bit more evidence is needed.

See the paragraph I quoted in post #20. Calling a group "plague carriers" is not making a geo-political statement about Israel. He is saying that Jews are corrupting our culture, and that is a racial smear.

[r9etb]

Other than a naive assessment of Israel, which sounds an awful lot like the mainstream journalism of most of Europe, where is the smoking gun in the article above?

See the passage referred to by me, above, and by Steve_Seattle in #20. As Steve points out, it's just a rehash of the old "dirty Jew" smear.

[Snuffington]

Ok. Point conceded. I missed that one. "Plague carriers" , and calling out Streisand and Spielberg's Judaism is pretty suspicious. There's no rational correlation there, and I have a hard time seeing why it belongs there. I retract my comment in post 22.

[Catspaw]

I found Sobran's "For Fear of the Jews" at the IHR website. He's listed as a speaker at their 2002 conference.

[Valin]

and see them held forth as some distillation of deep thought by those "true conservatives" of the paleocon right.

Ever consider the possibility that it is?
As for the Obsession of some of us with the Jews, could it be something about the fact that 12 milion of them were killed, and the little fact that they are and have been at war with their nieghbors, and they are an island of western culture in a vast sea of unenlightenment?.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Try the article linked by AmishDude in #15.

[Sam Cree]

"As for the Obsession of some of us with the Jews"

I'm married to one for 30 years; I'm definitely obsessed.

[AmishDude]

There's a link at #15 to a Sobran article.