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1 posted on 05/19/2004 2:54:19 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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Why not stand beside Islam... If the Islamic world rejects this notion of freedom, why is it our duty to change their thinking? Why are they wrong?

Pat Buchanan's Friends At Work

59 posted on 05/19/2004 5:50:58 AM PDT by steve-b
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What some of us view as the moral descent of a great and Godly republic into imperial decadence, neocons see as their big chance to rule the world.

Ouch.

A society that accepts the killing of a third of its babies as women's "emancipation," that considers homosexual marriage to be social progress, that hands out contraceptives to 13-year-old girls at junior high ought to be seeking out a confessional – better yet, an exorcist – rather than striding into a pulpit like Elmer Gantry to lecture mankind on the superiority of "American values."

Bullseye.

As a first step in righting the ship, we need to drive all pro-abortion and pro-homosexual "marriage" candidates out of the Republican party.

65 posted on 05/19/2004 5:54:55 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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bump...think about later...off to work.


72 posted on 05/19/2004 5:58:31 AM PDT by PGalt
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Hey, ping me next time Buchanan actually proposes a solution to a problem, instead of simply griping about his likes and dislikes.

No wonder he got so few votes.


85 posted on 05/19/2004 6:13:09 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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The article is ridiculous on so many levels, but one especially: Buchanan is utterly deluded is he believes that his beloved Middle Class America of the 1950s was anything but HATED by Islamists as much as Britany Spears' America of 2004.

Try googling another anti-Western intellectual: the Egyptian Sayyid Qutb, who took a trip to the USA from 1948-1950 and came back convinced that the US was a den of vice. Or check out his book The America Which I Saw (Amrika Min Al Dakhil) in From the Outer World, Harvard UP.

Materialism, violence, attitudes towards death, lack of the spiritual in American churches, lack of art, lack of taste in food and clothing...and not really a whole lot about sex. Some obvious misreadings -- I really have to wonder how anyone living in small town Colorado in 1950 could deduce that homosexuality was about to subvert the Western world -- and there is one sentence where it's obvious that he spent a little too much time studying the female student body: "in the glances of their eyes, their thirsty lips and bodies, the swelling breast, the plump thigh, the fat posterior, the smooth leg left entirely unconcealed." (there is a persistent topos in Islamic writing about the West regarding the babeliciousness of our self-reliant devil-whores, dating back to at least Crusader times.)

But what really seemed to shock him were American death customs. He couldn't believe that someone could make a grim joke about a severe injury in an emergency room, for instance, or that a widow could calmly discuss insurance three days after her husband's passing. And joking at a wake, forget it.
117 posted on 05/19/2004 6:46:00 AM PDT by Paladin2b
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If the Islamic world rejects this notion of freedom, why is it our duty to change their thinking? Why are they wrong?

Let's read this again:

If the Islamic world rejects this notion of freedom, why is it our duty to change their thinking? Why are they wrong?

Buchanan asks "why is freedom an inherent good? Maybe their rejection of freedom is just as legitimate as our embrace of it."

Buchanan has lost his moorings, and these notions of his are not the notions of an American conservative.

121 posted on 05/19/2004 6:49:13 AM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war: Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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Plus I really fail to understand why anyone continues to listen to these sermons on the "immoral modern west" when they come from a guy who was 4-F for military service due to complications from venereal disease, and who has a child out of wedlock (to their great credit, both the GHWB campaign in '92 and the Dole campaign in '96 were well aware of Pat's love child, but chose not to make an issue of it, since she's a kid and deserves some privacy, even if her loudmouth father doesn't).


124 posted on 05/19/2004 6:51:37 AM PDT by Paladin2b
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If the president wishes to fight a moral crusade, he should know the enemy is inside the gates. The great moral and cultural threats to our civilization come not from outside America, but from within. We have met the enemy, and he is us. The war for the soul of America is not going to be lost or won in Fallujah.

Pat misses that the war for the soul of America has more than one front. To be sure there is the assault by what he refers to as Pagan America that is attacking from inside the gates, but he apparently is unaware that the war on terrorism is also a cultural war, and the front lines are all over the world, but indeed Fallujah IS one of those.

Unfortunately, Pagan America of 2004 has far less to offer the world in cultural fare than did Christian America of 1954. Many of the movies, books, magazines, TV shows, videos and much of the music we export to the world are as poisonous as the narcotics the Royal Navy forced on the Chinese people in the Opium Wars

This is probably the most accurate statement he makes in this article.

128 posted on 05/19/2004 6:53:50 AM PDT by highlander_UW (A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel. - Robert Frost)
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Nut alert.

I guess the country was pretty smart when they rejected this madman.

131 posted on 05/19/2004 6:55:04 AM PDT by Protagoras (Control is the objective and freedom is the obstacle.)
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Buchanan Asks, "What Do We Offer the World?"

How 'bout a pants down spanking?

If it's Wednesday, it must be 'attack the neo-con Jews day' for Pat Buchananananan.

155 posted on 05/19/2004 7:14:37 AM PDT by Cinnamon Girl
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"Unfortunately, Pagan America of 2004 has far less to offer the world in cultural fare than did Christian America of 1954."

Yes, specially less choices in public facilities.


158 posted on 05/19/2004 7:18:14 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Pátria, pero sin amo.)
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"Exactly what are the "values" the West has to teach the Islamic world?"

That the behavior exhibited by the few people who engaged in the acts we've seen portrayed ad nauseum in Abu Ghraib should be punished, and not rewarded.

That was easy Pat.

160 posted on 05/19/2004 7:21:39 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Pátria, pero sin amo.)
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America is a land of myth. Not myth as in a sense of falseness, but myth as in a land that never quite has realized what people imagine it to be.

The Founding Fathers were myths in their own times and have been boiled down to simplistic descriptions.

The Civil War has as many mythical stories and interpretations as the story of the Trojan War, and just as many interesting and flawed characters.

The American GI became a mythic icon during both World Wars.

The 50's have a mythic sense of morality while the 70's have a mythic sense of depravity.

But we know that ascribing a mythic standard to everyone or everything in a group or time period is nonsensical. We have never been the model Christian nation that Pat tries to convince us we once were. We are not now the lost, wayward runaway that he believes we have become.

The sexual depradations that shown in those videos would have been condemned by Cotton Mather as well as Gloria Steinem. But Cotton Mather would have condemned female circumcision as well, let's not forget that. Just as the most radical feminist finds repulsive the idea of denying education to women so do Christians. But Pat doesn't see that. He sees Brittany Spears as a danger to Western Civilization, just as many saw the Beatles, or Elvis, or Glen Miller, or Al Jolson.

Western Civilization, and indeed sincere Christian existance within Western Civilization, has survived fine without heeding the warnings of the worrywarts and naysayers of every generation. It will do fine ignoring Pat Buchanan as well.


163 posted on 05/19/2004 7:23:45 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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What an utterly stupid bit of trash. The sexual revolution in the US started much earlier than the 60's. It started late 19th century at least with women drs and layers, suffrage, business women, etc.
Sometimes Pat's thought seems to be deliberately provocative just to make waves. The sexual revolution he is talking about is the cultural descent into decadence.

vaudine


173 posted on 05/19/2004 7:35:36 AM PDT by vaudine
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And to think I once voted for him in the California primary.


191 posted on 05/19/2004 7:57:10 AM PDT by ladyinred (Torture is what happened to Nick Berg!)
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Pat Al-Hamas Buchakazi.


199 posted on 05/19/2004 8:06:20 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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Buchanan is so irrelevant. Read the first few paragraphs to see if he might actually have something worth reading for once. Nothing's changed.


230 posted on 05/19/2004 9:09:07 AM PDT by connectthedots
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Why not stand beside Islam, and against Hollywood and Hillary?

Great idea , Pat. Let's make sure to role out the Vice and Virtue Squads too. And executions for every perceived 'immoral' action.

Pat's dream, finally revealed.

253 posted on 05/19/2004 9:43:00 AM PDT by Bella_Bru
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If the president wishes to fight a moral crusade, he should know the enemy is inside the gates. The great moral and cultural threats to our civilization come not from outside America, but from within. We have met the enemy, and he is us. The war for the soul of America is not going to be lost or won in Fallujah.

Go Pat Go!

254 posted on 05/19/2004 9:46:29 AM PDT by Penner
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The real question is which is larger? Micheal Moore's arse of pat buchanan's fat head?


318 posted on 05/19/2004 11:47:41 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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