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Some Virginia Businesses May Ban Armed Customers
http://www.wtop.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=229894 ^ | July 18, 2004 | AP

Posted on 07/18/2004 11:04:36 AM PDT by Mulder

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To: Dead Corpse

Take out a billboard in the rough area of town. Have it say simply...

"XXX at 123 Business Rd guarantees he doesn't have a gun on the premise. If robbed he has no means to defend himself other than 911."

LEt's see what his reaction will be. If he is outraged just ask him what the big deal is?


21 posted on 07/18/2004 11:40:55 AM PDT by Bogey78O (Counter offer. All prisoners are to be killed unless he is released)
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To: Mulder
CCW law here in WA sez no concealed carry in bars...gotta agree that this should also apply in VA, even if carrying unconcealed. Law-abiding citizens don't always remain so when they are liquored-up.

These yahoos are gonna mess it up for everyone else, and ability to carry unconcealed is gonna go by the wayside!

22 posted on 07/18/2004 11:41:01 AM PDT by ATCNavyRetiree (I can most times spot a liberal...they look weak, cowardly and undisciplined.)
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To: Mulder
One restaurant chain owner had employees at his four northern Virginia shops post signs last week prohibiting firearms and declaring themselves a "safe zone."

Hey Mulder, do you think any FReeper lawyers out there could tell us if by posting this sign the proprietor purports his establishment to be "safe" and if it proves not to be, would the prop be civilily liable?

23 posted on 07/18/2004 11:41:25 AM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: ATCNavyRetiree

Same in Alaska. Not many disagree with this rule.


24 posted on 07/18/2004 11:43:13 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: Mulder
'had employees ... post signs last week prohibiting firearms and declaring themselves a "safe zone."'

Well, which is it?

Here is a question for Johnnie Edwards ... if a criminal enters such an establishment and starts shooting up the place, do the survivors and victim's family have a case against the restaurant for "disenfranchising" their right to defend themselves against just such an incident?

25 posted on 07/18/2004 11:44:19 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" HRC 6/28/2004)
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To: NonValueAdded

Oops, I see Navy Patriot already asked that question.


26 posted on 07/18/2004 11:44:57 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" HRC 6/28/2004)
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To: ATCNavyRetiree

I don't think I've ever heard of any CCW holder getting liquored up while carrying. or if they did they obviously never used their weapon.


27 posted on 07/18/2004 11:45:29 AM PDT by Bogey78O (Counter offer. All prisoners are to be killed unless he is released)
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To: ATCNavyRetiree
These yahoos are gonna mess it up for everyone else, and ability to carry unconcealed is gonna go by the wayside!

There are 36 or so states that now have "must issue" CCW permits. The lefties always screamed "blood in the streets" when these laws were passed, it never materialized. What makes you think that it will happen this time?

28 posted on 07/18/2004 11:47:27 AM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: NonValueAdded

No "oops" about it, maybe we can "Edwards" these pantywaist proprietors. That'll target 'em where it hurts, the wallet.


29 posted on 07/18/2004 11:51:04 AM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: Bogey78O
If anything, just like being the DD for the night, carrying would make you accutely aware of how much you are drinking.

I personally won't go hunting with people who think it is neat to get liqured up and go blasting away at anything that moves.

Same deal here.

Show me some stats. How many of these guys openly carrying are committing ANY kind of crime. I'm willing to bet it is much lower than those carrying illegally or not carrying at all.

Bah... these nervous nellies saying "BUT WE CAN'T LET PEOPLE DO THAT" piss me off.

30 posted on 07/18/2004 11:53:05 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: ATCNavyRetiree
CCW law here in WA sez no concealed carry in bars...gotta agree that this should also apply in VA, even if carrying unconcealed

Same here in Florida, and it's a stupid law, since it puts a prior restraint on folks. I don't drink, so why shouldn't I be able to carry in bars?

Law-abiding citizens don't always remain so when they are liquored-up.

All the more reason for the good guys to carry in places that serve alcohol.

These yahoos are gonna mess it up for everyone else, and ability to carry unconcealed is gonna go by the wayside!

So the state will infringe upon their Right to open carry if they actually exercise that Right? How Orwellian.

31 posted on 07/18/2004 11:55:15 AM PDT by Mulder (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should.-- Samuel Adams)
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To: Navy Patriot
Hey Mulder, do you think any FReeper lawyers out there could tell us if by posting this sign the proprietor purports his establishment to be "safe" and if it proves not to be, would the prop be civilily liable?

It varies from state. In Utah, they tried to pass a law this year that said any place that banned carry could be held civilly liable. I don't know if it passed or not.

In other states, I think you would have a very strong civil case. Based on them making a fraudulent claim, if nothing else.

32 posted on 07/18/2004 11:57:11 AM PDT by Mulder (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should.-- Samuel Adams)
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To: Bogey78O
I don't think I've ever heard of any CCW holder getting liquored up while carrying. or if they did they obviously never used their weapon.

Exactly.

The law in Virginia is particularly onerous since it bans concealed carry in ANY place that serves alcohol. So if you want to eat somewhere other than McDonalds, you have two choices: 1) go unarmed, or 2) carry openly.

I, like the Patriots in this article, would choose #2 also.

33 posted on 07/18/2004 11:59:32 AM PDT by Mulder (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should.-- Samuel Adams)
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To: Mulder

More anti-gun propaganda in Fairfax, VA.


34 posted on 07/18/2004 12:00:41 PM PDT by JockoManning
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To: Mulder

The government has to stick its nose in everything. If a business owner wants to prevent guns on his property, he is entitled to do so. The government has no business either helping or hindering him to do so.


35 posted on 07/18/2004 12:07:02 PM PDT by Toskrin (War least of all goes according to plan.)
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To: Mulder
Virginia residents must have permits to carry concealed weapons..

When my N/W company opened its first store in Dallas, the Personnel manager (recently transplanted from Seattle) posted a large sign at the employee entrance, "Carrying Guns At Work Is Prohibited!" I remember, in front of many employees, asking her,..."But, how will you ever know?"

36 posted on 07/18/2004 12:15:36 PM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: Mulder

I think these types of demonstrations will quickly result in new laws restricting open carry. People just aren't going to ever be comfortable around someone with a weapon out in the open.

My take is that society has this bass ackwards. It seems to me that it should be legal to carry anywhere as long as it is concealed. This avoids scaring the women and children and protects rights. Any criminal wanting to carry is going to conceal anyway, so making that illegal only hurts the law abiding.


37 posted on 07/18/2004 12:19:09 PM PDT by OK
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"to respect their opinion I will not use my guns to protect them"

LOL! Now that adds a very nice 'touch'!

38 posted on 07/18/2004 12:26:25 PM PDT by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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To: Toskrin

"If a business owner wants to prevent guns on his property, he is entitled to
do so. The government has no business either helping or hindering him to do so."

Given the above, how do you propose the business owner do so?


39 posted on 07/18/2004 12:30:11 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle
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To: Mulder; Eaker; PoorMuttly; marinegrunt; TheMom
Jim Snyder, 54, of the Kingstowne area, one of the gun owners spotted at Champps, said there's an unfair perception that he and his brethren are prone to violence. He carries his Colt .45 for protection, he said.

What a coincidence ...I'm perceived as making those who are violent criminals ....prone with my 1911A1.

Stay safe !

40 posted on 07/18/2004 12:30:52 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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