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1 posted on 07/18/2004 11:04:37 AM PDT by Mulder
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2 posted on 07/18/2004 11:04:57 AM PDT by Mulder (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should.-- Samuel Adams)
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Some armed customers likely to ban area businesses.


5 posted on 07/18/2004 11:11:08 AM PDT by AUH2OY2K
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lol @ prohibiting guns where alcohol is served. how about banning drug use and inebriation outside ones home? i dont care what anyone ingests but dont impose on others.
6 posted on 07/18/2004 11:19:08 AM PDT by eleven_eleven (canadia = land of nothing)
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Some Virginia Businesses May Ban Armed Customers

Many Armed Customers May Take Their $$$ Elsewhere.

Both perfectly legal. Freedom works both ways.

7 posted on 07/18/2004 11:21:46 AM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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...post signs last week prohibiting firearms and declaring themselves a "safe zone".

Need to fix that for him.

...post signs last week prohibiting firearms and declaring themselves a "victim disarmament zone".

Maybe they should post one of those other signs? "We don't trust you with your own safety. We just want your money." Or words to that effect.

I smell boycott...

8 posted on 07/18/2004 11:22:42 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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It's their right to post a sign saying: "Attention robbers- our customers are unarmed!"
9 posted on 07/18/2004 11:23:15 AM PDT by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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---But Tracy thinks guns, with the exception of those carried by police officers, have no place in his restaurants. ---

When he sees his numbers after this move he may change his mind.


13 posted on 07/18/2004 11:30:51 AM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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Update! ... Update! ... Some armed customers will not spend their money in known, leftist, business establishments.


18 posted on 07/18/2004 11:34:11 AM PDT by G.Mason (A war mongering, red white and blue, military industrial complex, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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CCW law here in WA sez no concealed carry in bars...gotta agree that this should also apply in VA, even if carrying unconcealed. Law-abiding citizens don't always remain so when they are liquored-up.

These yahoos are gonna mess it up for everyone else, and ability to carry unconcealed is gonna go by the wayside!

22 posted on 07/18/2004 11:41:01 AM PDT by ATCNavyRetiree (I can most times spot a liberal...they look weak, cowardly and undisciplined.)
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One restaurant chain owner had employees at his four northern Virginia shops post signs last week prohibiting firearms and declaring themselves a "safe zone."

Hey Mulder, do you think any FReeper lawyers out there could tell us if by posting this sign the proprietor purports his establishment to be "safe" and if it proves not to be, would the prop be civilily liable?

23 posted on 07/18/2004 11:41:25 AM PDT by Navy Patriot
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'had employees ... post signs last week prohibiting firearms and declaring themselves a "safe zone."'

Well, which is it?

Here is a question for Johnnie Edwards ... if a criminal enters such an establishment and starts shooting up the place, do the survivors and victim's family have a case against the restaurant for "disenfranchising" their right to defend themselves against just such an incident?

25 posted on 07/18/2004 11:44:19 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" HRC 6/28/2004)
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More anti-gun propaganda in Fairfax, VA.


34 posted on 07/18/2004 12:00:41 PM PDT by JockoManning
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The government has to stick its nose in everything. If a business owner wants to prevent guns on his property, he is entitled to do so. The government has no business either helping or hindering him to do so.


35 posted on 07/18/2004 12:07:02 PM PDT by Toskrin (War least of all goes according to plan.)
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I think these types of demonstrations will quickly result in new laws restricting open carry. People just aren't going to ever be comfortable around someone with a weapon out in the open.

My take is that society has this bass ackwards. It seems to me that it should be legal to carry anywhere as long as it is concealed. This avoids scaring the women and children and protects rights. Any criminal wanting to carry is going to conceal anyway, so making that illegal only hurts the law abiding.


37 posted on 07/18/2004 12:19:09 PM PDT by OK
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Jim Snyder, 54, of the Kingstowne area, one of the gun owners spotted at Champps, said there's an unfair perception that he and his brethren are prone to violence. He carries his Colt .45 for protection, he said.

What a coincidence ...I'm perceived as making those who are violent criminals ....prone with my 1911A1.

Stay safe !

40 posted on 07/18/2004 12:30:52 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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Leave yo' shootin' iron at the door pardner.


43 posted on 07/18/2004 12:37:04 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.)
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Restaurants and bars may also mandate a dress code. What’s the difference?


51 posted on 07/18/2004 1:04:22 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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Is the following applicable to the CCW rights of an individual in Virginia......

Where Unlawful to Carry

§18.2-308: No person shall carry a concealed handgun onto the premises of any restaurant or club as defined in § 4.1-100 for which a license to sell and serve alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption has been granted by the Virginia Alcoholic Beverage Control Board under Title 4.1 of the Code of Virginia, nothing herein shall prohibit any owner or event sponsor or his employees from carrying a concealed handgun while on duty at such restaurant or club if such person has a concealed handgun permit.

§15.2-915:  No person may be prosecuted or convicted of a violation of any ordinance regulating the possession, carrying, or transportation of a firearm if he is in possession of the firearm not in violation of any provision of Title 18.2 and he has a valid concealed handgun permit issued pursuant to  § 18.2-308 or otherwise possessing, carrying, or transporting the firearm in a lawful manner.

§18.2-308: Private property when prohibited by the owner of the property, or where posted as prohibited.

§18.2-283: Carrying dangerous weapon to place of religious worship.

§18.2-283.1: Courthouse.

§18.2-308.1: School property.

§18.2-287.01: Carrying weapon in air carrier airport terminal.

 


60 posted on 07/18/2004 1:19:57 PM PDT by deport (Please Flush the Johns......)
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"Virginia shops post signs last week prohibiting firearms and declaring themselves a "safe zone."

The last I heard, Detroit is ranked the most violent city in the country. No open carry is allowed ANYWHERE! So using 'Liberal Logic' , Detroit City must be the "Safest Zone" in U.S.A.!
61 posted on 07/18/2004 1:22:39 PM PDT by Main Street (Stuck in traffic.)
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I can the restaurant owner's side on this, really. Suppose someone shoots another guy on the premises. The guy who was shot, whether for valid reasons or not, will hire a trial lawyer and sue the restaurant for serving alcohol to the gun toting man (or woman perhaps). Since trial lawyers tend to go after those with deeper pockets. Geez, they might also go after Anheuser Busch for making beer that made someone have impaired judgment...


69 posted on 07/18/2004 2:42:12 PM PDT by Koblenz (Not bad, not bad at all. -- Ronald Reagan, the Greatest President.)
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