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Guns without controls
Virginia Times Community ^ | July 20, 2004 | Del. Kenneth R. “Ken” Plum (D-36th)

Posted on 07/24/2004 7:01:58 AM PDT by Mulder

As horrifying as it is to contemplate, the next gunfight may not be at the O-K Corral; it might be in our own community. Shock and dismay are the emotions most often expressed at recent events either seen or read about in Reston of people walking our streets and dining in our restaurants with pistols on their hips. And it is perfectly legal.

In many of my columns I have talked about a rightward tilt of the Virginia General Assembly. In no area is that tilt to ultra-conservatism more evident than with gun control. The minimal laws that existed in the past at the state level have been stripped away, and local government has been denied the ability to pass gun control measures.

No one that I am aware of has ever proposed registration or limitation on ownership of guns in Virginia. The laws that have been repealed have been reasonable and would have in no way restricted gun ownership for hobbyists, collectors or hunters.

On July 31-Aug. 1, “The Nation's Gun Show” will be held at the Dulles Expo Center in Chantilly. The promoters expect 1,000 tables where guns will be sold. A promotional piece explains why the show is being held in Virginia: “This show has been in the planning stages for several years. However, very restrictive laws regulating the purchase of handguns prevented us going to this great area. This year, legislation was passed in Virginia's General Assembly that repealed all waiting periods and permit requirements in Virginia. (Virginia now has total pre-emption.)”

Apparently members of the Civil Defense League have decided to demonstrate their right by displaying their guns openly. Police have responded to calls about their presence but are powerless to do anything. How do you know if the person sitting at the next table at a restaurant, entering your place of business or walking on your street with a gun is an emotionally stable, law-abiding citizen or is a psychotic who is about to be the next mass murderer?

There is no way to tell. Hopefully, the police will continue to respond to calls about gun-toting citizens, and hopefully they will not arrive too late. The fanatical gun lover will tell you that is exactly why everyone should carry a gun—to defend himself. They may think it is too bad that the people who get shot are often innocent bystanders who unluckily find themselves in the area of gunfire.

None of our constitutional rights are absolute. Not being allowed to shout “Fire!” in a crowded theater is the most often cited limitation on free speech. And controls on your guns can be imposed that would protect the public but allow enthusiasts to collect guns and to hunt as a sport.

The U.S. Congress has let the ban on assault weapons expire. The pro-gun lobby will continue to push the limits. Reasonable people must make their views known as well. Let your outrage be heard by your congressional, state and local representatives. When reasonable voices are the strongest heard, we will return to reasonable gun control. That is what I continue to support. Let me know your views at kenplum@aol.com.


TOPICS: Government; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; bloodinthestreets; guncontrol; libwishfulthinking; opencarry; rhodesia; wereallgonnadie; weredoomed
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1 posted on 07/24/2004 7:01:58 AM PDT by Mulder
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To: *bang_list

bang


2 posted on 07/24/2004 7:02:10 AM PDT by Mulder (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should.-- Samuel Adams)
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To: Mulder

I bet no one tries to rob that resturant.


3 posted on 07/24/2004 7:05:20 AM PDT by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.)
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To: Mulder
Guns without controls.

Here I'm thinking; how do you make a gun without a trigger?

Instead it's just some girlie man got his panties in a knot over armed citizens.

4 posted on 07/24/2004 7:06:34 AM PDT by Politically Correct
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To: Mulder
"How do you know if the person sitting at the next table at a restaurant, entering your place of business or walking on your street with a gun is an emotionally stable, law-abiding citizen or is a psychotic who is about to be the next mass murderer?"

How do you know if the person sitting at the next table at a Luby's Cafeteria . . .? 'Nuff said.

5 posted on 07/24/2004 7:10:36 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Mulder
. "Not being allowed to shout “Fire!” in a crowded theater is the most often cited limitation on free speech."

Given the ample evidence that disarming law abiding citizens leads directly to a rise in crime, this article and all like it are the equivalent to shouting fire in a crowded theater.
6 posted on 07/24/2004 7:11:39 AM PDT by bad company ((<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com" target="_blank">Hatriotism))
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To: Mulder
As horrifying as it is to contemplate, the next gunfight may not be at the O-K Corral; it might be in our own community.

Where has Del. Kenneth R. “Ken” Plum Democrat of the 36th district been hiding? We have gunfights on a nearly daily basis here, and the criminal shooters hardly know what end of the barrel the bullet comes out of. The surely never heard of sights or aiming. They spray and pray with the best TV Hollywood style and seldom hit their intended target but seem to hit the innocent on a regular basis. The more Good Citizens who carry and learn how to properly use their weapon the better off we’ll be.

Yes, I did take him up on his offer and expressed my opinion via his Email.

7 posted on 07/24/2004 7:14:28 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Mulder

WHAAAA, BOO Hoo, Cry, Snivel, ETC.ETC.


8 posted on 07/24/2004 7:15:25 AM PDT by mongo141
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To: bad company

So true, so true ..... BTW ....hello all from North Florida ....


9 posted on 07/24/2004 7:17:25 AM PDT by The Last Rebel Soldier
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To: Mulder
"The laws that have been repealed have been reasonable and would have in no way restricted gun ownership for hobbyists, collectors or hunters."

I guess the author doesn't consider self defense to be a valid use for firearms.

10 posted on 07/24/2004 7:20:09 AM PDT by Will_Kansas
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To: Mulder
None of our constitutional rights are absolute.

I wonder what 'shall not be infringed' means, then?

11 posted on 07/24/2004 7:20:53 AM PDT by FourPeas (In spoonerism John Kerry is Kon Jerry.)
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To: bad company
that disarming law abiding citizens

Disarming ought to be optional.

12 posted on 07/24/2004 7:21:36 AM PDT by budwiesest
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To: Mulder; Joe Brower; neverdem
Del. Kenneth R. “Ken” Plum (D-36th) :"None of our constitutional rights are absolute. Not being allowed to shout “Fire!” in a crowded theater is the most often cited limitation on free speech. And controls on your guns can be imposed that would protect the public but allow enthusiasts to collect guns and to hunt as a sport.

Wow! There's so much wrong w/ this, and the rest of this article, I don't know where to start....

13 posted on 07/24/2004 7:21:50 AM PDT by OXENinFLA (Sandy and Bill --------------------- Both controlled by Hillary (and her FBI Files).)
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...but allow enthusiasts to collect guns and to hunt as a sport.

Thanks, idiot, for being willing to allow people to collect guns and to hunt. Hint: Collecting and hunting aren't what the 2nd Amendment is about.

Since anyone in the audience could easily yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater, why don't we duct-tape everyone's mouth before we let them watch a movie? As you said, you just never know how stable the person next to you is. This sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

14 posted on 07/24/2004 7:22:21 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Mulder
people walking our streets and dining in our restaurants with pistols on their hips. And it is perfectly legal.

*gasp* The horror of it! The next thing you know, they'll be praying in public.

15 posted on 07/24/2004 7:23:28 AM PDT by FourPeas (In spoonerism John Kerry is Kon Jerry.)
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To: OXENinFLA

I know what you mean.


16 posted on 07/24/2004 7:24:07 AM PDT by FourPeas (In spoonerism John Kerry is Kon Jerry.)
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To: Mulder
Let's see Ken...as the states pass liberal ccw laws, their crime rates goes down. Darn Mr. Plum, the facts just seem to get in the way...

DOJ don't they?

Sheesh.

5.56mm

17 posted on 07/24/2004 7:25:24 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: OXENinFLA
"There's so much wrong w/ this, and the rest of this article.."

True. I think it was written by a pro-gunner just to make the anti-gunners look stoooopid. Heh. He done a good job.

18 posted on 07/24/2004 7:26:42 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Mulder
Dear Mr. Plum:   

After reading your piece titled "Guns without controls", I decided to put in a job application for a company that is located in Western Virginia.  I enjoy practicing open carry, and would like to do so in Virginia. Please see my posting titled "Is Open Carry Right for Illinois" 


http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?s=0b4c9b3d386c6af02e769a7f08e458dd&showtopic=118  

It may be surprising to some people that 33 states allow open carry with or without a license. While the majority of these states, such as Wisconsin, Missouri, and Kentucky allow open carry with no license required, other states such as Iowa and Indiana issue licenses that do not distinguish between concealed and open carry.

Manufacturers have gone to great extremes to design devices that can successfully conceal a handgun. However, in my own experience I have found it difficult and uncomfortable trying to conceal a full size handgun such as a .45 caliber 1911. In addition, a handgun in a side holster is much more easily and quickly retrieved in a critical moment when it is needed the most.  

I recently decided to try open carry while on vacation this summer in several Midwestern and Western states. I checked www.packing.org and Traveler's Guide to the Firearm Laws of the Fifty States to determine which states on my itinerary allowed open carry. According to those two sources, South Dakota and Wyoming allow open carry with no license required. Minnesota allowed me to carry openly with my Utah license. In all three states I openly carried a Springfield 5" tactical XD 40 pistol in a Don Hume holster with a thumb-break snap. I carried in travel information centers, rest stops, gas stations, motels, grocery stores, retail stores, and a bank. Although I was somewhat apprehensive in the beginning that I would start a stampede of panicked people, I discovered that most people didn't seem to care, or even notice that I was carrying a gun in a side holster. Other than one instance in which a woman asked if I was a law enforcement officer, no one complained.

HB2821 and SB3132 are identical bills in the Illinois legislature that would establish statewide uniform standards for the issuance of permits to carry concealed firearms. These bills make no provision for open carry, and are currently assigned to the rules committee. However, it is likely that they will be introduced again in the next legislative session. Since this is the only bill currently introduced into the Illinois legislature that establishes a right-to-carry, an amendment to this bill is the best means of decriminalizing open carry.

Contact information for the sponsors of these bills.

Representative Art Tenhouse (Deputy Republican Leader): 217-782-8096
Representative Mike Bost (Assistant Republican Leader): 217-782-0387
Senator John O. Jones: 217-782-0471
Todd Vandermyde (NRA lobbyist): TVandermyd@aol.com

19 posted on 07/24/2004 7:28:25 AM PDT by Mini-14
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To: Mulder
None of our constitutional rights are absolute.

Unless they are in the "penumbra," right?

In any case, natural rights (self-defense, for example) are absolute.

20 posted on 07/24/2004 7:29:30 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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