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1 posted on 07/24/2004 7:01:58 AM PDT by Mulder
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2 posted on 07/24/2004 7:02:10 AM PDT by Mulder (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should.-- Samuel Adams)
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I bet no one tries to rob that resturant.


3 posted on 07/24/2004 7:05:20 AM PDT by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.)
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Guns without controls.

Here I'm thinking; how do you make a gun without a trigger?

Instead it's just some girlie man got his panties in a knot over armed citizens.

4 posted on 07/24/2004 7:06:34 AM PDT by Politically Correct
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"How do you know if the person sitting at the next table at a restaurant, entering your place of business or walking on your street with a gun is an emotionally stable, law-abiding citizen or is a psychotic who is about to be the next mass murderer?"

How do you know if the person sitting at the next table at a Luby's Cafeteria . . .? 'Nuff said.

5 posted on 07/24/2004 7:10:36 AM PDT by Eastbound
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. "Not being allowed to shout “Fire!” in a crowded theater is the most often cited limitation on free speech."

Given the ample evidence that disarming law abiding citizens leads directly to a rise in crime, this article and all like it are the equivalent to shouting fire in a crowded theater.
6 posted on 07/24/2004 7:11:39 AM PDT by bad company ((<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com" target="_blank">Hatriotism))
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As horrifying as it is to contemplate, the next gunfight may not be at the O-K Corral; it might be in our own community.

Where has Del. Kenneth R. “Ken” Plum Democrat of the 36th district been hiding? We have gunfights on a nearly daily basis here, and the criminal shooters hardly know what end of the barrel the bullet comes out of. The surely never heard of sights or aiming. They spray and pray with the best TV Hollywood style and seldom hit their intended target but seem to hit the innocent on a regular basis. The more Good Citizens who carry and learn how to properly use their weapon the better off we’ll be.

Yes, I did take him up on his offer and expressed my opinion via his Email.

7 posted on 07/24/2004 7:14:28 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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WHAAAA, BOO Hoo, Cry, Snivel, ETC.ETC.


8 posted on 07/24/2004 7:15:25 AM PDT by mongo141
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"The laws that have been repealed have been reasonable and would have in no way restricted gun ownership for hobbyists, collectors or hunters."

I guess the author doesn't consider self defense to be a valid use for firearms.

10 posted on 07/24/2004 7:20:09 AM PDT by Will_Kansas
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None of our constitutional rights are absolute.

I wonder what 'shall not be infringed' means, then?

11 posted on 07/24/2004 7:20:53 AM PDT by FourPeas (In spoonerism John Kerry is Kon Jerry.)
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Del. Kenneth R. “Ken” Plum (D-36th) :"None of our constitutional rights are absolute. Not being allowed to shout “Fire!” in a crowded theater is the most often cited limitation on free speech. And controls on your guns can be imposed that would protect the public but allow enthusiasts to collect guns and to hunt as a sport.

Wow! There's so much wrong w/ this, and the rest of this article, I don't know where to start....

13 posted on 07/24/2004 7:21:50 AM PDT by OXENinFLA (Sandy and Bill --------------------- Both controlled by Hillary (and her FBI Files).)
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...but allow enthusiasts to collect guns and to hunt as a sport.

Thanks, idiot, for being willing to allow people to collect guns and to hunt. Hint: Collecting and hunting aren't what the 2nd Amendment is about.

Since anyone in the audience could easily yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater, why don't we duct-tape everyone's mouth before we let them watch a movie? As you said, you just never know how stable the person next to you is. This sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

14 posted on 07/24/2004 7:22:21 AM PDT by Bob
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people walking our streets and dining in our restaurants with pistols on their hips. And it is perfectly legal.

*gasp* The horror of it! The next thing you know, they'll be praying in public.

15 posted on 07/24/2004 7:23:28 AM PDT by FourPeas (In spoonerism John Kerry is Kon Jerry.)
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Let's see Ken...as the states pass liberal ccw laws, their crime rates goes down. Darn Mr. Plum, the facts just seem to get in the way...

DOJ don't they?

Sheesh.

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17 posted on 07/24/2004 7:25:24 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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Dear Mr. Plum:   

After reading your piece titled "Guns without controls", I decided to put in a job application for a company that is located in Western Virginia.  I enjoy practicing open carry, and would like to do so in Virginia. Please see my posting titled "Is Open Carry Right for Illinois" 


http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?s=0b4c9b3d386c6af02e769a7f08e458dd&showtopic=118  

It may be surprising to some people that 33 states allow open carry with or without a license. While the majority of these states, such as Wisconsin, Missouri, and Kentucky allow open carry with no license required, other states such as Iowa and Indiana issue licenses that do not distinguish between concealed and open carry.

Manufacturers have gone to great extremes to design devices that can successfully conceal a handgun. However, in my own experience I have found it difficult and uncomfortable trying to conceal a full size handgun such as a .45 caliber 1911. In addition, a handgun in a side holster is much more easily and quickly retrieved in a critical moment when it is needed the most.  

I recently decided to try open carry while on vacation this summer in several Midwestern and Western states. I checked www.packing.org and Traveler's Guide to the Firearm Laws of the Fifty States to determine which states on my itinerary allowed open carry. According to those two sources, South Dakota and Wyoming allow open carry with no license required. Minnesota allowed me to carry openly with my Utah license. In all three states I openly carried a Springfield 5" tactical XD 40 pistol in a Don Hume holster with a thumb-break snap. I carried in travel information centers, rest stops, gas stations, motels, grocery stores, retail stores, and a bank. Although I was somewhat apprehensive in the beginning that I would start a stampede of panicked people, I discovered that most people didn't seem to care, or even notice that I was carrying a gun in a side holster. Other than one instance in which a woman asked if I was a law enforcement officer, no one complained.

HB2821 and SB3132 are identical bills in the Illinois legislature that would establish statewide uniform standards for the issuance of permits to carry concealed firearms. These bills make no provision for open carry, and are currently assigned to the rules committee. However, it is likely that they will be introduced again in the next legislative session. Since this is the only bill currently introduced into the Illinois legislature that establishes a right-to-carry, an amendment to this bill is the best means of decriminalizing open carry.

Contact information for the sponsors of these bills.

Representative Art Tenhouse (Deputy Republican Leader): 217-782-8096
Representative Mike Bost (Assistant Republican Leader): 217-782-0387
Senator John O. Jones: 217-782-0471
Todd Vandermyde (NRA lobbyist): TVandermyd@aol.com

19 posted on 07/24/2004 7:28:25 AM PDT by Mini-14
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None of our constitutional rights are absolute.

Unless they are in the "penumbra," right?

In any case, natural rights (self-defense, for example) are absolute.

20 posted on 07/24/2004 7:29:30 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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Guns without controls

Sounds good to me.

21 posted on 07/24/2004 7:29:31 AM PDT by glock rocks (will you tell me a story?)
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No one that I am aware of has ever proposed registration or limitation on ownership of guns in Virginia.

Do the names Bill Clinton, Diane Feinstien, and Chuck Schumer ring a bell with you, disingenuous jackass?

The laws that have been repealed have been reasonable and would have in no way restricted gun ownership for hobbyists, collectors or hunters.

Unfortunately for this tyrant's opinion, and fortunately for patriots and other lovers of liberty and freedom, hobbyists, collectors, or hunters aren't mentioned in the 2nd Amendment. Maybe Del should read that part of the Bill of Rights.

Let me know your views at kenplum@aol.com.

Hope you have a good supply of asbestos underwear.

23 posted on 07/24/2004 7:32:26 AM PDT by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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So Virginia allows guns to be worn openly? Interesting, contrasted with their law on radar detectors - you can't even possess those! Having velcro on your dashboard is just cause for them to search your car for the radar detector, like that's the only thing you would use velcro for...

We all have our priorities, I guess.

24 posted on 07/24/2004 7:33:43 AM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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"How do you know if the person sitting at the next table at a restaurant, entering your place of business or walking on your street with a gun is an emotionally stable, law-abiding citizen or is a psychotic who is about to be the next mass murderer?"

The only reason an armed "psychotic" can become a "mass murderer" is because the politicians and sissies have advocated unarming everyone else and there was no armed citizen to stop the actions of the "psychotic...mass murderer" at the outset of the murderer's actions.

"None of our constitutional rights are absolute. Not being allowed to shout “Fire!” in a crowded theater"

The laws concerning the act of speech, shouting "fire" in a crowded theater, for example, do not prohibit a person from shouting the word "fire."

The laws just say you better be correct and accurate when you shout such a word or otherwise you will be held responsible for the "damage" you can or do cause.

That is not in anyway prohibiting speech and thus cannot be used as justification for diminishing, denying, or disparaging "absolute" rights, guaranteed by the Constitution.

25 posted on 07/24/2004 7:36:22 AM PDT by tahiti
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It really seems to me the author needs to stock up on these.


26 posted on 07/24/2004 7:47:40 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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