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Battle Rifle Advice Wanted
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Posted on 11/09/2004 7:59:30 PM PST by Mulder

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To: Graybeard58

lol - I never get tired of that one


21 posted on 11/09/2004 8:23:12 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Mulder
I've got a Belgian FN. Love it.

Tack-driving accurate, easy to operate, easy to strip and clean.

Only drawback is that rascal is HEAVY. Only took it into the woods once . . . fell back on my Ruger M-77 w/ a 4x Leupold for deer. You can hike all day up and down hill with that and not feel it.

22 posted on 11/09/2004 8:23:44 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: x1stcav

M-14 the choice of more D boy snipers than any other. :-)


23 posted on 11/09/2004 8:24:53 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Death waits in the darkness. NSDQ)
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To: Mulder

FN-FAL...Wasn't nicknamed "The Free World's Right Arm" for nothin'! Mags are cheap, parts (shoushould you ever need them, which is unlikely, are easy to find. Dependable, easy to field strip & service. Did I mention that mags are cheap? ;>)

M1As are nice but not as easily serviced in the field, mags are more expensive, accuracy on stock model not as good as a top quality Belgian FN, match model is much better but at a higher $.

AR10s...current crop not battle tested like the above and mags are big money. (Except the new Bushmaster variant which uses inexpensive FAL mags.)


24 posted on 11/09/2004 8:25:02 PM PST by SiVisPacemParaBellum (Peace through superior firepower!)
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To: Mulder

I got to fondle, but not shoot, the M1A Scout. It will be my next expensive purchase, after filling out my want/need list of a few more less expensive pieces.


25 posted on 11/09/2004 8:25:30 PM PST by umgud (Donate monthly, don't be a Freeploader)
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
While there are the known downsides to the AR15/10 platforms, the amount of things available to dress up, change, alter, and be creative with those rifles is so far above and beyond anything else available with other platforms that it makes it crazy not to consider them first.

I keep telling myself that, but the thing that has me concerned is that the AR10s don't have nearly the following at the AR15s... Maybe there is a reason for that. The AR10s seem to have always suffered from reliability problems.

26 posted on 11/09/2004 8:25:41 PM PST by Mulder ("The price of freedom is the willingness to do sudden battle anywhere and any time"-- Heinlein)
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To: Mulder

Look over at Century international arms look for Cetme/G3,metric pattern FN-FAL,& then the M1A1 from springfield armory. Also check out DSA arms for factory new FN-FALs made in the USA on FN machine tools with FN blueprints. Best overall value the FN-FAL from DSA Arms.


27 posted on 11/09/2004 8:26:49 PM PST by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: Mulder

Springfield M1A. You will never regret it.


28 posted on 11/09/2004 8:28:22 PM PST by Malleus Dei ("Communists are just Democrats in a hurry.")
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To: Mulder
FN-FAL. Definately. A CETME is an OK knock off, but has accuracy issues. As for an ACOG, I take it you don't mind spending 3X more on optics than on the rifle? Low end ACOGs are pricey with the high end ones selling for upwards of $1400. Just for the optics.

If all else fails, check over at ar15.com. Got whole sections devoted to AR's, AK's, and FN-FAL's. And no shortage of people willing to offer their opinion on anything.

29 posted on 11/09/2004 8:28:55 PM PST by Dead Corpse (My days of taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle)
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To: Dead Corpse
As for an ACOG, I take it you don't mind spending 3X more on optics than on the rifle? Low end ACOGs are pricey with the high end ones selling for upwards of $1400. Just for the optics.

Yeah... prices have really gone up on those. I'll probably just get the Aimpoint.

30 posted on 11/09/2004 8:29:44 PM PST by Mulder ("The price of freedom is the willingness to do sudden battle anywhere and any time"-- Heinlein)
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To: Mulder

Look over at Century international arms look for Cetme/G3,metric pattern FN-FAL,& then the M1A1 from springfield armory. Also check out DSA arms for factory new FN-FALs made in the USA on FN machine tools with FN blueprints. Best overall value the FN-FAL from DSA Arms.


31 posted on 11/09/2004 8:30:35 PM PST by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: mad_as_he$$

XM21 rules!


32 posted on 11/09/2004 8:31:15 PM PST by x1stcav
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To: Mulder

Supply and demand. Wait until after Iraq is over and the price should come down considerably.


33 posted on 11/09/2004 8:32:52 PM PST by Dead Corpse (My days of taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle)
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To: Nebr FAL owner

M1 Garand.


34 posted on 11/09/2004 8:33:26 PM PST by MachineMan
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To: x1stcav

Yup one great weapon. FWIW I believe it was what Shugart carried into the Battle of Mog. Anybody wants more info Google it. Tons of info out there.


35 posted on 11/09/2004 8:34:05 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Death waits in the darkness. NSDQ)
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To: Mulder

You may wanna check out EOTech for a sight. For about $250, you can pick up a good one.


36 posted on 11/09/2004 8:35:32 PM PST by Dead Corpse (My days of taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle)
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To: Mulder
I'm looking to purchase a battle rifle next year in .308, and can't decide what I want to get.

Springfield Armory M1A. Absolutely the finest shoulder weapon available today on the commercial market.

37 posted on 11/09/2004 8:35:56 PM PST by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: Mulder

Shotgun and Guts, those two beget the other and vice versa.
No weapon will suffice the unwilling or the timid.

TT


38 posted on 11/09/2004 8:36:02 PM PST by TexasTransplant (It is UNAmerican to put the UN before America)
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To: mad_as_he$$

M14. What a honey!


39 posted on 11/09/2004 8:36:23 PM PST by anyone_but_kerry
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To: Mulder
It's not so much that they aren't 'reliable' it's just that they're gas operated semi-autos, so the ammo you use is critical to proper functioning of the weapon.

I have no idea what the design specs were on the AR-10, but I do know that the basic system design depends on a specific weight projectile traveling at a specific velocity in order to make the whole thing function properly.

I have no proof, but I suspect the majority of the reliability problems with the AR10 series is that folks are putting lots of different bullet weights at lots of different velocities through them and expecting reliable functioning. That's just not going to happen.

The other major drawback I see to the AR10 is that mags and spare parts are scarcer and more expensive than hens teeth.

You said you wanted a decent battle rifle in your original post. Now the AR10 is a well built rifle, but I don't think it's quite graduated to the status of a 'battle rifle' if you know what I mean.

The FN and the M1A are both field tested and proven designs that have functioned all over the world under the most extreme conditions. Both of them are still killing the enemies of freedom. It's hard to argue with that.

If you're really looking for a battle rifle, I'd confine my search to the above types and scratch the AR10 types off my list. Yea, they're cool but they just haven't 'seen the elephant'.

As I said before, this is just my opinion and your mileage may vary.

L

40 posted on 11/09/2004 8:36:43 PM PST by Lurker ( Rope, tree, Islamofascist. Adult assembly required.)
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