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To: gopwinsin04
This jibes with Ambrose Evans-Pitchard's reporting in the late 90's. He identified Andreas Strassmeir as a pivotal figure in Elohim City with professional (German) military expertise. Strassmeir apparently passed his demolition skills on to the radical white supremacist Elohim City group. Strassmeir seems to have been lent to the US by the German government for use in a domestic terrorism intelligence operation.

Despite this new indication of a government coverup about a warning from Strassmeir, Terry Nichols' ties to the Philippines and Muslim terrorism seem more likely to have been at the heart of the Oklahoma City bombing. The Strassmeir aspect nevertheless indicates gross bumbling or worse by the Clinton era FBI, derelictions that were to be repeated to far more devastating effect on 9/11.

Is there any explanation other than partisanship and bias for why the media has fawned over the 9/11 families and the "Jersey Girls" but has so cruelly ignored and belittled the OKC bombing families and their quest for truth and accountability from the federal government?
8 posted on 12/28/2004 10:05:50 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham
What about McVeigh and those Iraqis meetings in the OKC hotels?

That report was completely cast aside along with Tim's organizer book of phone numbers full of phone numbers recovered at the scene

11 posted on 12/28/2004 10:08:37 AM PST by gopwinsin04
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To: Rockingham
I cannot understand why the government and mainstream media refuses to take seriously the fact that McVeigh and Nichols were fall guys for Middle-Eastern terrorists. The only reason I can think of is political correctness run amok. "John Doe 3" is so obviously the Iraqi Al Husseini (a former Iraqi military officer) as to be an evidential slam dunk. He has been named as a unindicted co-conspirator in at least 1 civil trial and 1 appeal. That Palestinian and other Mid-East natives were directly involved is also an undisputed fact. Terry Nichols was in direct contact with Ramzi Yousef, Al Qaeda's Numero Ono explosives expert and head of that organization's terror ops.
Also note that a colonel in Saddam's Fedayeen attended a meeting in Malaysia where the 9-11 attacks were first planned. Pan-Am flt 800 was brought down on Iraqi Independence Day. Saddam Hussein made a veiled reference to the attack in a speech he gave before Baath Party loyalists the day before the event happened. Iraqi under Saddam was heavily involved in international terror.
15 posted on 12/28/2004 10:29:39 AM PST by attiladhun2
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To: Rockingham
I cannot understand why the government and mainstream media refuses to take seriously the fact that McVeigh and Nichols were fall guys for Middle-Eastern terrorists. The only reason I can think of is political correctedness run amok. "John Doe 3" is so obviously the Iraqi Al Husseini (a former Iraqi military officer) as to be an evidential slam dunk. He has been named as a unindicted co-conspirator in at least 1 civil trial and 1 appeal. That Palestinian and other Mid-East natives were directly involved is also an undisputed fact. Terry Nichols was in direct contact with Ramzi Yousef, Al Qaeda's Numero Ono explosives expert and head of that organization's terror ops.
Also note that a colonel in Saddam's Fedayeen attended a meeting in Malaysia where the 9-11 attacks were first planned. PanAm flt 800 was brought down on Iraqi Independence Day. Saddam Hussein made a veiled reference to the attack in a speech he gave before Baath Party loyalists the day before the event happened. Iraqi under Saddam was heavily involved in international terror.
16 posted on 12/28/2004 10:31:52 AM PST by attiladhun2
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To: Rockingham
Excellent summary!

Eloheim City provided great potential synergy between US and German intelligence:

Germany for years battled white supremacists in their country who often used contacts in the US for publishing racist literature, where such activity is legal. Meanwhile, the US worried about nuclear materials in former East Bloc countries finding their way into the hands of anti-government types and other (Middle East) baddies.

What would be more seductive to ambitious US goose-steppers than to get a souped-up, hot-headed, real GERMAN kook among their ranks?

Your pehpahs ah out ufff OHDAH...!

And so Germany put their man Streissmeir (whose father is a prominent German politician) on loan to the yanks. Andy would fly over the America, mix in with a bunch of US kooks, and get the goods on them.

Everybody would be happy!

Only, in most cases Streissmeir would act as agent-provocateur mostly, and then US authorities ended up acting too late on a brewing terror plot; they wanted to nab everyone red-handed juuuuust before the dirty deed, and instead ended up with egg on their faces.

Ach, sheitze...!

Andy had to be smuggled south across the US/Mexican border, and then out of the country, macht schnell.

The John Doe II Times is highly recommended reading....

23 posted on 12/28/2004 2:40:24 PM PST by gaijin
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