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History of modern man unravels as German scholar is exposed as fraud
The Guardian ^ | February 19, 2005 | Luke Harding

Posted on 02/21/2005 9:44:35 AM PST by FNU LNU

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To: orionblamblam

As your are positioning yourself as an anti-religious bigot, I think it's astounding that you could have such a cloud of religiosity, and blind faith with regards to your beliefs regarding 'science'.

But, have at it. I suppose if 'Christianity' were so bad, it should go the way of the Ba'al cults. It's got staying power, I'll give it that.

We'll see about the religio-evo creed. Maybe it'll last a couple of thousand years, too. I doubt it. But, it's religious fervor may just push it on, you never know.


21 posted on 02/21/2005 10:20:43 AM PST by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: orionblamblam

Such as?


22 posted on 02/21/2005 10:21:46 AM PST by almcbean
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To: FNU LNU

Good find FNU. Looks like Neanderthal and Homo Sapiens didn't mix. Teddy Kennedy must have been a one-off.


23 posted on 02/21/2005 10:22:40 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: agere_contra

LOL!


24 posted on 02/21/2005 10:23:24 AM PST by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: orionblamblam; PatrickHenry

Not sure what you mean about him using "Creationist's tactics". The YECs don't accept c14 dating and the OEC have no reason to manipulate the dates. Can you give some names to your serious accusations, or are simply using the Clintonian defense of attempting to muck up everyone else's reputation because your own man's is mucked up?

The article even paints him a Nazi sympathizer, a natural outgrowth of Darwinian thinking.

The only thing I am curios about is that the 7,500 year old skull fragment that was said to be Neanderthal. Did he fake the identity as well as the date, or where there a few hold outs as recently as 7,500 years? THAT would be a big story.


25 posted on 02/21/2005 10:25:17 AM PST by Ahban
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To: ColoCdn

> As your are positioning yourself as an anti-religious bigot

Define "anti-religious bigot."

> I suppose if 'Christianity' were so bad,

Who said anythign about Christianity being "bad?" You seem to protest too much.

> it should go the way of the Ba'al cults. It's got staying power, I'll give it that.

As does Judaism, Hinduism, Zoroastrionism, Islam, sub-Saharan animism...

Now. Are you going to sit there and tell me that none of those have religious "lies" at their core?

> We'll see about the religio-evo creed.

There is, so far as I know, no religion based on evolution, just as there is, so far as I know, no religions based on the theories of relativity and gravity either.


26 posted on 02/21/2005 10:25:36 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: Ahban

> Not sure what you mean about him using "Creationist's tactics".

Lying and falsification of data.

> Can you give some names to your serious accusations

Start with Duane Gish and Michael behe and go from there.

> Nazi sympathizer, a natural outgrowth of Darwinian thinking.

Incorrect. Nazis were Creationists to the core. They bought into Theosophical babblings about mankind having been created perfect in some golden age.


27 posted on 02/21/2005 10:27:57 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: orionblamblam

What religious lies would you be talking about?


28 posted on 02/21/2005 10:28:03 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852

> What religious lies would you be talking about?


Put a devout Christian and a devout Muslim in the same room. One will tell you that Jesus was the divien son of God. The other will tell you that Jesus was just a guy. These two beliefs are contradictory and one (or both) *must* be wrong.

Another: A Baptist and a Mormon. One will tell you that Jesus ascended into Heaven after 3 days dead (and after having a brief chat witha few of his associates) and will not bodily return until Judgement Day. The other will tell you that after being dead three days and then chatting with associates, he then went aroudn the world and talked to mesoAmericans. Again, these two beliefs cannot both be true.

A Christian and a Hindu: One says you get one shot *only*, that's it; the other says you re-incarnate a bajillion times. One or both must be wrong.


29 posted on 02/21/2005 10:32:31 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: orionblamblam

You decline to describe your passion as 'religious fervor'?

Methinks you decline too disingenuously.


30 posted on 02/21/2005 10:32:58 AM PST by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: FNU LNU
The scandal only came to light when Prof Protsch was caught trying to sell his department's entire chimpanzee skull collection to the United States.

Don't mess with the U.S. He may have been caught because Americans questioned this scame.

People like Professor Reiner Protsch von Zieten and Bill Clinton are giving cigar smokers a bad name.

31 posted on 02/21/2005 10:33:37 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: orionblamblam

Regarding religious "lies" - one day each of us will know the truth. And I guess we'll know the scientific truth also.


32 posted on 02/21/2005 10:35:32 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: FNU LNU

The title of this article is obviously ridiculous. Science has not built its understanding of the modern history of mankind on the work of one crackpot. Science doesn't move forward based on one or two observations. Findings must be replicated by scientists from various parts of the world using their own equipment and measurments etc. Furthermore peers review the findings with a healthy skeptical eye.

Creationists don't understand how science works, only a creationist would ever think that science would have to be changed based on identifying one guy as a fraud. That's how I know a creationist wrote this headline.


33 posted on 02/21/2005 10:35:49 AM PST by Rippin
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


34 posted on 02/21/2005 10:37:38 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: orionblamblam

Nazism was based on the atheist philosophy of Nietzsch, and eugenics, which has philosophical Darwinism underpinnings (Some races and peoples have evolved more than others). And Hitler was an occultist.
Pleasae have some basis to argue against Christianity.


35 posted on 02/21/2005 10:38:03 AM PST by almcbean
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To: ColoCdn

> You decline to describe your passion as 'religious fervor'?

I'm not much for lies or exaggeration.

You decline to define "anti-religious bigot?"


36 posted on 02/21/2005 10:38:48 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: orionblamblam

"One or both must be wrong."

Yep. Now, here's the science side: get a strict selectionist, a strict non-selectionist, and a heterochronist in the same room trying to decide on the truth.

According to you, they would all be true.


37 posted on 02/21/2005 10:40:02 AM PST by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: FNU LNU

YEC INTREP - Anthropology - S&T


38 posted on 02/21/2005 10:40:08 AM PST by LiteKeeper (Secularization of America is happening)
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To: orionblamblam

Your interest in defining this anthropologist's duplicitous actions, and motivations, as that of creationists led me to believe that you didn't put much stock in accurate definitions.


39 posted on 02/21/2005 10:41:49 AM PST by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: almcbean

> Pleasae have some basis to argue against Christianity.

Sheesh. Who said anything about Christianity? As I said, Nazis were big into *Theosophical* Creationism. Madame Blavatsky's nonsense. Please research the topic before spouting off further.

> , which has philosophical Darwinism underpinnings

No. Eugenics is something humans have been doign for thousands of years to our farm critters, and *Americans* were doign to ourselves long before the Nazis showed up. Eugenics, boiled down, is simply selective breeding, without any particular philosophical underpinning.


40 posted on 02/21/2005 10:42:11 AM PST by orionblamblam
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