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Bank of America insists it can't find slave profits in its past
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | April 30,2005 | FRAN SPIELMAN

Posted on 04/30/2005 5:21:01 AM PDT by Founding Father

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To: kcar
Reparations is a very important issue, so vital I think Democrats should make this the cornerstone of their thrust to retake the White House. And why is it still called the "White" House?

Brer Gond says, "ooooh, I hope dey don' use that issue!"

61 posted on 04/30/2005 10:13:57 AM PDT by Gondring (Pretend you don't know me...I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: muawiyah
I don't know were you get your Civil War info from. Union troops were from ALL states. States had at that time their own militias.

You should really read more often. Or go to a civil war reenactment. You are displaying your ignorance on the subject.

v/r
62 posted on 04/30/2005 10:15:09 AM PDT by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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To: fhayek

You must be kidding, right? You have heard of the ROMAN EMPIRE? There is plenty documentation of slavery, long before the Southern U.S. entered the picture!


63 posted on 04/30/2005 10:15:19 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Sic Semper Tyrannis!)
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To: samtheman

One other point: The Africans sold their OWN people into slavery. Maybe they should pay.


64 posted on 04/30/2005 10:16:52 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Sic Semper Tyrannis!)
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To: muawiyah

That is kind of a sick way of looking at it...not to mention untrue.


65 posted on 04/30/2005 10:18:45 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Sic Semper Tyrannis!)
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To: PJammers
Last time I checked over 250,000 "white boys" gave their lives during the civil war to insure the slaves were free Mr. lincoln maintained the union and the tax base to pay for his internal improvement schemes
66 posted on 04/30/2005 10:19:25 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Thommas

Hear! Hear!


67 posted on 04/30/2005 10:20:02 AM PDT by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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To: billbears

And not to mention bringing all states under federal rule.

v/r


68 posted on 04/30/2005 10:21:34 AM PDT by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

That part about Ft. Pillow is bull....a Congressional Committee after the war debunked that myth. Those soldiers were killed in the heat of battle.


69 posted on 04/30/2005 10:21:36 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Sic Semper Tyrannis!)
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To: Founding Father

I think the Democratic party should be compelled to pay reparations for all campaign contributions ever made by slaveowners.


70 posted on 04/30/2005 10:22:13 AM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("REMEMBER WILLIAM CRUM!")
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
"Fort Pillow, Tennessee and at Saltville, Virginia where, in both cases, those that surrendered were massacred by their outraged Confederate captors."

You use an extreme, undocumented generalization to try to make a point.

If you do a search on Ft Pillow massacre, you will see many different, conflicting accounts.

Ft. Pillow was Union propaganda. President Lincoln directed that the alleged event be investigated in 1864. His people found no evidence of a massacre, other than a dominant Confederate battle victory, which they passed off as a "massacre."

Later, in 1871, a new Congressional investigation revealed no evidence of a massacre. Chairman William T. Sherman made that statement.

In so far regarding Saltville, again there are all sorts of assertions. However your own Richmond Times Dispatch (http://mywebpages.comcast.net/5thuscc/richmondtimes.htm) verified that any degree of massacre could not be proved.

The final proof that no documentation existed for the Union assertions was that no one was arrested or charged with massacre at Ft. Pillow. Only one Confederate infantry man was arrested for Saltville. Thus, no evidence for massacre.

71 posted on 04/30/2005 10:24:53 AM PDT by PeaRidge ("Walt got the boot? I didn't know. When/why did it happen?" Ditto 7-22-04 And now they got #3fan.)
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To: muawiyah; Redgirl
" As the officers and soldiers of the United States have been subjected to repeated insults from the women (calling themselves ladies) of New Orleans, in return for the most scrupulous noninterference and courtesy on our part, it is ordered that hereafter when any female shall, by word, gesture, or movement, insult or show contempt for any officer or soldier of the United States, she shall be regarded and held liable to be treated as a woman of the town plying her avocation."--Beast Butler, General Order #28

Oh yes...real men. God bless the memory of the brave patriotic Confederate women of New Orleans

72 posted on 04/30/2005 10:25:01 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Founding Father
Who gives a flying gallop, one way or the other?

If anyone can find a living ex-slave, then that person is owed reparations. Anyone who was born free is not owed anything not listed in the constitution.

73 posted on 04/30/2005 10:27:36 AM PDT by LibKill (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.)
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To: Founding Father
Dorothy Tillman is a Chicago Alderman. According to Mike Royko, the slogan of the Chicago City Council is "Ubi Mea", Latin for "Where's Mine?" As soon as BOA greases a few palms, this will all go away.

On reparations, I propose we provide clear title and full possession of the US National Debt. It currently has a value of $7 Trillion.

74 posted on 04/30/2005 10:30:33 AM PDT by Bernard (Memory is the second thing to go. I forget what goes first.)
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To: muawiyah
I have what some Southern sympathizers and Unreconstructed Confederate terrorists might consider a peculiar attitude toward our Civil War dead ~ namely that all honor and glory goes to the Union Army, and to all of our dead. Anything less than that is anti-American!

Your first mistake is believing the Civil War was about freeing slaves, it wasn't.

75 posted on 04/30/2005 10:30:41 AM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Ignorance)
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To: muawiyah

What about reparations as regards the blacks who fought for the south? Do they pay or do they "git"?


76 posted on 04/30/2005 10:43:21 AM PDT by Founding Father (A proud "vigilante." My money goes to support Minutemen, not Republicans.)
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To: PJammers

That has always been my contention, especially when you consider that white europeans are not the ones who went into the interior of africa to capture slaves. That business was run by and wholly ruled by local BLACK african tribes who had been in the business long before the Portuguese bought their first slave. They want reparations? Go after the african tribes still there who take pride in their slave trading past. Also go after the party of slavery, the democrat party.


77 posted on 04/30/2005 10:44:42 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The rats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Thommas
>>. . .or ended up as African/Arab slaves; an existence that was nasty, brutish and short.<<

No, no, no. . .according to the US State Department's Foreign Service Institute, African slaves of Arabs were trained as academics and doctors and led a comfortable existence.

I'm not kidding.

They really said this.

When I attended the FSI's sub-Saharan Africa intensive area studies program that is exactly what they taught. . .that and all Black men in Africa sit around and drink palm-oil wine and are worthless and the Black women are really the one's in charge.
78 posted on 04/30/2005 11:17:57 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: muawiyah
Yup. . .that's why there were hardly any "soiled doves" for the pleasure of those hard-working cowboys.
79 posted on 04/30/2005 11:21:28 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Excellent summary of the situation. How disgusting it is that people would even attempt make the compairson between the wholesale killing of Jews and the condition of slavery. It is sad that the world did not react at once to both atrocities. The fact that slavery was allowed to exist for as long as it did is an American tragedy, but on a different plane than the Holocaust.

With that said, these banks and insurance companies did nothing illegal

Good point, but even if it were illegal, the time span for legal redress is long past. (Statute of limitations)

Further, the idea of reparations based upon the idea of compensating SURVIVORS

Of course, and the surviving slave owners are gone as well. the idea of paying reparations to decendents is a legal precident that should never be set, even by today's worst activist judges. Because there is not enough money in today's economy to begin to pay for the misdeeds of the past. Who would certify the decendency? What mis-deeds are worthy, in addition to the slaves, we have the American Indians who have a claim- as do the blacks discriminated against after the Civil War. What about women held non eligible for the vote or men's clubs? What about the countless immigrant groups who had to work for years in low wage employment before being granted their rights?

While some Jews received reparations for damage done to their ancestors and property lost, these issues are current and even now the records require careful research to be certain that a claim is valid. The news is full of people today who are sueing for damage done to them in the recent past, their conpensation is a matter for the courts and is proceeding. But we can't look back on the misdeeds of the past and attempt to buy it off today. Money cannot be paid to the decendents of slaves.

80 posted on 04/30/2005 11:41:49 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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