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Filibuster battle altering '08 presidential landscape
THE WASHINGTON TIMES ^ | May 29, 2005 | By Ralph Z. Hallow

Posted on 05/29/2005 2:33:50 PM PDT by strategofr

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To: SDGOP

No but he is worth quite a bit. He doesn't take a salary, if that is any indication. He doesn't need it, however, he is also anti gun, pro gay even though he says otherwise.


21 posted on 05/29/2005 3:16:14 PM PDT by gidget7 (Get GLSEN out of our schools!!!!!!)
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To: SDGOP
Not to mention shes pro abort and pro aff action which will hurt her with the base

Since so many states allow crossover voting in primaries it may be possible for a pro-abortion candidateto win the nomination, but I doubt Rice could win the general election. No doubt she would pick up many black and pro-abortion moderate votes that a white pro-lifer would lose. But once her pro-abort stance becomes widely known I don't believe there would be enough of those to offset the millions of votes she would lose among conservative evangelicals and devout Catholics.

I for one will never vote for a pro-abortion candidate for any local, state, or county office no matter how much we may agree on other issues or how awful the opposition candidate may be. Anyone who believes it's OK to kill innocent human beings in the womb for any reason other than to save the mother's life doesn't have the moral integrity to govern a county, state, a nation.

That doesn't necessarily mean I would vote for the opposition, it just means I would leave that part of my ballot blank.

22 posted on 05/29/2005 3:16:20 PM PDT by epow (Prayer should be the first resort, not the last resort)
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To: Proud_texan
I find the fact that she has never ran for president to be an asset and not a hindrance. If she has Rove's backing then she would have no problems. All she has to do is default to a position of freedom though federalism on Roe vs Wade and she would still get the pro-life base.
23 posted on 05/29/2005 3:18:28 PM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: konaice
The only chance the Repubs have of holding on to the presidency is Condi, She will bring the Women and the Blacks and and she has true credentials on a global level.

The same strategy Shirley Chisholm used to win the Presidency!

24 posted on 05/29/2005 3:20:17 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Question Liberalism)
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To: bahblahbah

yea but the point is that she wouldnt, as she was stated that she has the inherent position that a woman has an inherent right to choose - there is no room to wiggle out of that one.

It'll be a complex primary because the moderates(guiliani,mccain etc) would have a better chance in the general, but then its a matter of what are we winning if the moderate is in power. however, if we take control of this and guide a strong conservative, we are toast if the dems nominate someone other than hillary(Bayh,Richardson etc)


25 posted on 05/29/2005 3:22:52 PM PDT by senateforcaster
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To: senateforcaster

She isn't stupid. If she even tried to run then she would find a way to appeal to moderates and the base. She self styles herself to be a libertarian and federalism is pretty libertarian because it allows each section of the US to be more self deterministic.


26 posted on 05/29/2005 3:29:06 PM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: bahblahbah
The grassroots folks I've known that have been the foot soldiers of the party knocking on doors, making phone calls, doing the grunt work are hard pressed to continue that with the group we have right now, much less for someone with a pro-death position regardless of how it is framed.

The results of the last election pretty much bear that out Rove's strategy; the dims bought their workers, the republicans were almost an entirely volunteer effort, all with passion. Karl Rove may be smart, but he can't take the place of 3 million volunteers that wouldn't turn up to lick an envelope for Dr. Rice.

27 posted on 05/29/2005 3:34:38 PM PDT by Proud_texan (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: senateforcaster
It'll be a complex primary because the moderates(guiliani,mccain etc) would have a better chance in the general,

I disagree.

Welcome to FR.

28 posted on 05/29/2005 3:41:50 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - L O V E - my attitude problem!)
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To: Proud_texan
BS, they would turn out for Condi more than anyone else out in the field. Nobody can win but Condi in '08. Condi can't win unless she changes her view to a federalist view on abortion. In fact, she could be the greatest asset to the pro-life movement if she contends that abortion should be available as a last resort option but the issue should remain to the states.
29 posted on 05/29/2005 3:45:42 PM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: mariabush
I really believe that she is above board, I just do not want a woman as CIC.

Maggie Thatcher was a good one, Golda Meir did fine. I am fascinated by Condi--she has a certain cool, analytic style which would serve her well in a crisis. And her personal life reflects an emotional detachment which could only help when ordering troops into harm's way. Plus, to be an accomplished concert pianist requires an element of inner discipline rare among the run-o-the-mill politicians we usually get to choose from.

30 posted on 05/29/2005 3:48:05 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

They did alright, BUT they were not the leaders of the Free World. Sorry, I just do not want a women as head of this country.


31 posted on 05/29/2005 3:51:02 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: Cowboy Bob
The same strategy Shirley Chisholm used to win the Presidency!

LOL! I remember her. She had the highest IQ in the House! Shirley had three problems though--she was a leftwing crackpot, she never DID anything, and she was born 40 years too soon.

32 posted on 05/29/2005 3:57:50 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: SDGOP
On a side note anyone know how much Mitt is worth? I know hes loaded but i can never find a figure.

I DK either but his father Goerge, before he became a pol, was CEO of American Motors back when AMC made money. No doubt Mitt is quite comfortably endowed.

33 posted on 05/29/2005 4:00:18 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: bahblahbah
Okay, I guess the 500+ volunteers I've talked to over the last 2.5 months were all bs'ing me so let's take another approach.

You support her position on taxes, social security reform, border control, medicaid reform, funding for the NEA, tort reform and expansion of government?

Absent knowing what her position on those and another three dozen issues I think I'll hold back, thanks.

34 posted on 05/29/2005 4:00:40 PM PDT by Proud_texan (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: bahblahbah
abortion should be available as a last resort option but the issue should remain to the states.

This is in fact the only rational position for a president to adopt, given that it is the only alternate position that has a ghost of a chance of replacing Roe. EO's about abortion in the military, foreign aid, etc, are good, but mainly serve as moral statements. They probably save few lives.

Encouraging courts to throw the issue back to the States, where it belongs, is the best thing a President realistically can do for Life.

I wish GW had taken this position and held to it from the start. His argument about changing hearts is a long term recipe for healing, but it doesn't move the ball at all. The federalist option as you call it, is principled, politically viable, and based on a sound understanding of the founders' intentions.

35 posted on 05/29/2005 4:17:02 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Txsleuth

"My gosh, the MSM has already crowned Mrs. Bubba, and she is a senator...but hasn't been even a mayor, let alone governor!!!"

Let alone any sort of distinguishable Human Life Form. ;)


36 posted on 05/29/2005 4:21:27 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: gidget7

If the Republican party is stupid enough to nominate a candidate for President who cannot even deliver his own state, then they deserve the total disintegration that will follow such a move.


37 posted on 05/29/2005 4:52:49 PM PDT by penowa
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To: strategofr

Fine by me. George Allen was my pick before all this filibuster stuff hit the fan. Bright, young, looks good
in a suit and is conservative. Everything we thought we'd get when we voted for Bush.....


38 posted on 05/29/2005 5:04:00 PM PDT by HardStarboard (With Lebanon simmering, Iran on medium-high, whose next? I vote Syria....lets turn up the heat!)
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To: Txsleuth

"My gosh, the MSM has already crowned Mrs. Bubba, and she is a senator...but hasn't been even a mayor, let alone governor!!!"

Valid points. But Mrs. Bubba is rather ahem, persuasive...in a unique way, really. Course, Ron Brown never let himself get intimidated.


39 posted on 05/29/2005 5:25:50 PM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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To: Vigilanteman

"(hint: elections are exactly 104 years apart)"

I love it, but could you ple-e-a-se give us "lazy &/or uneducated" ones the answer?


40 posted on 05/29/2005 5:27:13 PM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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