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While there are other posted articles on FR with this title, this seems to be a new article by Steyn, elaborating on themes he has written about elsewhere.
1 posted on 01/01/2006 2:52:43 PM PST by twntaipan
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ping to read later


2 posted on 01/01/2006 2:53:52 PM PST by vrwc0915 ("Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants,)
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Every time I try to read this I start to fall asleep. I sure he has great pointszzzzzzz, wait, thatwasgreatzzzzzzzzzz.


5 posted on 01/01/2006 3:08:27 PM PST by DariusBane (I do not separate people, as do the narrow-minded, into Greeks and barbarians.)
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Not dissimilar from Mr. Steyn's speech at The Claremont Institute's Churchill Dinner in early December. Of course, both efforts are treasures and should be required listening/reading.
6 posted on 01/01/2006 3:08:36 PM PST by CreviceTool
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Bumped to read more in depth later....


7 posted on 01/01/2006 3:18:00 PM PST by EverOnward (help support our hero soldiers at anysoldier.com)
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This is longer and less amusing than the typical Steyn article. But it's a wake-up call on the most serious issue confronting the west today. Namely, the fact that most of the civilized world as we know it--Europe, Japan, Russia--are going to die unless they act much more decisively than they are likely too within the next ten or fifteen years.

Steyn does his best not to preach to the choir but to try to wake up the sleep-walkers who are taking Western civilization to its death, while they worry about trivial issues instead of confronting the real problem.

I'm sending this one out to my list, not that most of them will probably make the necessary effort to understand it.


8 posted on 01/01/2006 3:24:07 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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THIS is what the war is all about. And Steyn is right: we're losing.


9 posted on 01/01/2006 3:29:07 PM PST by Clioman
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Religion (Christian, with a nod to Islam, Hinduism, Sikkhsm--it's the 4th largest religion with 40 million, and Judaism), patriotism, fiscal and social conservatism, realistic altruism (helping hand, not hand-out) -- sounds like we need a return to the past.

Sounds like we need marriages that last and bigger families. Sounds like we need to TRY to educate our population to read, write, spell and pass a drug test. :o) But, then, all that requires self-sacrifice, cooperation, chemical independence and dumping the me-me-me, victimhood, government-nannyism, return to the old fashioned ethic of, in this order, education, job, marriage, children.

European countries HAVE been financially bribing their population to produce children and more that 1-2 children for 25 years, at least.
They HAVE BEEN accepting non-European immigrants. The consequences will occur and they will never be acceptable to either side, especially when our media take over and disseminate the pros and cons, blaming countries with their standard onslaught of any European country's past.
Each European country WILL handle their future as best they can. THAT also will fail the U.S. smell test because....just because of our anti-Euro-attitude.

The Muslim countries, especially the Arab countries, will always be wrong. That's a given.

The "others" (I name India, China....since they have a combined population of 2.3 billion, 1/3 of the world.) will struggle along, emerging with "fresh, hopeful and new" with accompanying news stories, movies and books portraying the equally vivid squalor and corruption. Nothing new there either.

NOTHING will change in the future. Human nature will be IDENTICAL as it is today and was 60,000 years ago. We are merely healthier, live longer, better educated and have high tech stuff. We aren't ONE iota smarter, wiser, nicer, better or happier.

Things will be re-arranged, as the author writes. That is the no-brainer prediction of all times. He's saying that the sun will shine and the snow will fall.

America can survive but it has to move MORE towards what we used to be. For too many that won't be possible. We CAN do it. Who knows if we will. I think we will.
One thing for sure: our media won't like it, think it's good enough or accept that anything we achieve is good.

I think we are the BEST. Whatever we are doing is making us the BEST. Author is wrong, mostly, but not completely.

10 posted on 01/01/2006 3:35:01 PM PST by starfish923 ( Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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Religion (Christian, with a nod to Islam, Hinduism, Sikkhsm--it's the 4th largest religion with 40 million, and Judaism), patriotism, fiscal and social conservatism, realistic altruism (helping hand, not hand-out) -- sounds like we need a return to the past.

Sounds like we need marriages that last and bigger families. Sounds like we need to TRY to educate our population to read, write, spell and pass a drug test. :o) But, then, all that requires self-sacrifice, cooperation, chemical independence and dumping the me-me-me, victimhood, government-nannyism, return to the old fashioned ethic of, in this order, education, job, marriage, children.

European countries HAVE been financially bribing their population to produce children and more that 1-2 children for 25 years, at least.
They HAVE BEEN accepting non-European immigrants. The consequences will occur and they will never be acceptable to either side, especially when our media take over and disseminate the pros and cons, blaming countries with their standard onslaught of any European country's past.
Each European country WILL handle their future as best they can. THAT also will fail the U.S. smell test because....just because of our anti-Euro-attitude.

The Muslim countries, especially the Arab countries, will always be wrong. That's a given.

The "others" (I name India, China....since they have a combined population of 2.3 billion, 1/3 of the world.) will struggle along, emerging with "fresh, hopeful and new" with accompanying news stories, movies and books portraying the equally vivid squalor and corruption. Nothing new there either.

NOTHING will change in the future. Human nature will be IDENTICAL as it is today and was 60,000 years ago. We are merely healthier, live longer, better educated and have high tech stuff. We aren't ONE iota smarter, wiser, nicer, better or happier.

Things will be re-arranged, as the author writes. That is the no-brainer prediction of all times. He's saying that the sun will shine and the snow will fall.

America can survive but it has to move MORE towards what we used to be. For too many that won't be possible. We CAN do it. Who knows if we will. I think we will.
One thing for sure: our media won't like it, think it's good enough or accept that anything we achieve is good.

I think we are the BEST. Whatever we are doing is making us the BEST. Author is wrong, mostly, but not completely.

11 posted on 01/01/2006 3:35:47 PM PST by starfish923 ( Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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Bump!


12 posted on 01/01/2006 3:36:05 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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SORRY for the double post. I'm in Waikiki at an Internet Cafe and I haven't got the rhythm down yet.


14 posted on 01/01/2006 3:37:40 PM PST by starfish923 ( Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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If European politicians make no serious attempt this decade to wean the populace off their unsustainable thirty-five-hour weeks, retirement at sixty, etc., then to keep the present level of pensions and health benefits the EU will need to import so many workers from North Africa and the Middle East that it will be well on its way to majority Muslim by 2035.

Of course once Muslims become the voting majority in EU countries, why should they want to pay taxes to support Dhimmies? Shouldn't that be the other way around? Isn't it customary for Dhimmies to pay taxes to ensure their right to live?

16 posted on 01/01/2006 3:46:17 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Happy New Year!)
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Excellent post. How someone could fall asleep reading this, I have no idea. And I read it on my laptop -- don't know what that problem was.

The dominance of oil money in the world economy, and the abundance of oil in the Middle East and Southern Russia is creating a massive bias, for over a half century now, pulling money and power from Western Civilization, dominated by former British colonies, to Islam.

Behind the successful blocking of oil drilling and refining expansion in the West are no doubt the powers built on the oil money going to Russia and the Middle East. They obviously don't want the competition.

Money funds babies. Babies drive demographics. Big aggressive civilizations over run shrinking decadent civilizations.

Damn ... just damn.

Just as I will grow old and die, so will the freedom loving culture that has served humanity so well these last couple centuries.

One can only extend the years of relative health, and delay the burial.

18 posted on 01/01/2006 4:00:30 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (The distrust of authority is a deeply destructive force in the hands of evil men.)
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Civilizations are born, they rise, they decline, they fall. The history of man has no other record and anyone who believes that the US or any European nation will be the first to change history is sadly mistaken. The fall of many civilizations have been marked by some of the same decadence that we are observing in our own culture. Rome for instance permitted a child to be abandoned at birth to starve to death if the father declined to accept it and the practice of homosexuality and pedophilia was common among the ruling classes.
19 posted on 01/01/2006 4:02:00 PM PST by kublia khan (Absolute war brings total victory)
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THIS is what the war is all about. And Steyn is right: we're losing.


21 posted on 01/01/2006 4:20:02 PM PST by Clioman
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That Steyn is a boy genius!


22 posted on 01/01/2006 4:20:50 PM PST by dennisw ("What one man can do another can do" - The Edge)
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Most depressing.

This article, makes me want to buy lots of gold and guns.

We are at war, a war that many do not see. I hope Steyn is wrong.


23 posted on 01/01/2006 4:24:51 PM PST by Pondman88
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This seems much the same view as Pat Buchanan has been expounding for the last ten years. Mark S. seems to have written off Europe--or at least most of it. It will be interesting to see if a major backlash develops on that continent to the Islamic tsunnami. Certainly the left doesn't seem capable of self-preservation. The US might be the lynch pin, but it might take a new civil war to achieve a non-suicidal society.


24 posted on 01/01/2006 4:27:09 PM PST by Faraday
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We need to CHOP taxes so that families larger than 2 or 3 are no longer the province of the wealthy, the eccentric, and those on welfare.


26 posted on 01/01/2006 4:41:21 PM PST by ikka
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Thank you for this post. I think this might be the best of the best of Steyn....

Happpy NeewwYeeeeear!

FMCDH(BITS)

31 posted on 01/01/2006 5:08:55 PM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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our tolerance of our own tolerance is making us intolerant of other people’s intolerance, which is intolerable. And, unlikely as it sounds, this has now become the highest, most rarefied form of multiculturalism. So you’re nice to gays and the Inuit? Big deal. Anyone can be tolerant of fellows like that, but tolerance of intolerance gives an even more intense frisson of pleasure to the multiculti masochists. In other words, just as the AIDS pandemic greatly facilitated societal surrender to the gay agenda, so 9/11 is greatly facilitating our surrender to the most extreme aspects of the multicultural agenda.

OMG, I fear Steyn's on to something here...

33 posted on 01/01/2006 5:17:20 PM PST by GOPJ (Happy New Year!)
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