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'Gospel of Judas' Called An Authentic Fabrication
The New York Sun ^ | April 7, 2006 | BRUCE CHILTON

Posted on 04/07/2006 6:38:55 AM PDT by presidio9

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To: FormerLib

Gnosticism sounds similar to Christian Science belief.

Mrs VS


21 posted on 04/07/2006 7:09:36 AM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: Dog Gone
I don't think any of the New Testament is derived from first century documents or is an original.

Well, according to anyone who's ever done intensive work on the NT - be they Christian, Jewish, agnostic or what have you - all the NT documents except two absolutely date from the 1st century, and there is a good chance that the remaining two do date from the 1st century as well.

In addition to this unanimous scholarly opinion, there is the fact that early 2nd century writers (100-125 AD) reference the NT documents as if they were already well-known and established documents. Additionally there are substantial manuscripts of the NT existing from about the year 200 AD and fragments from before 125 AD, including a possible fragment from before 68 AD.

So the facts contradict you.

22 posted on 04/07/2006 7:09:38 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: presidio9

I was listening to a dj talk about this story this morning. The DJ said that the Judas Gospel dispels the story that Judas betrayed Christ of his own will, i.e. Christ asked Judas to drop the dime on him.

IIRC, Judas committed suicide the morning after he betrayed Christ. My question is this: When did Judas have time to write his Gospel if said Gospel includes events that took place only hours before his death?


23 posted on 04/07/2006 7:10:00 AM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: presidio9

Why is even FNC reporting the story as based on a true original rather than a fake copy.

The media should be screaming fromthe top.


24 posted on 04/07/2006 7:10:54 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: presidio9

I tend to think this is just an ancient version of the "Da Vinci Code"...or near equivalent.

Fiction has always been popular. ;)

Regards, Ivan


25 posted on 04/07/2006 7:12:03 AM PDT by MadIvan (Ya hya chouhada! Dune fans, visit - http://www.thesietch.com/)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo; metmom; RunningWolf
Finally a Gospel the evos will believe.!!!!
26 posted on 04/07/2006 7:12:27 AM PDT by WKB (Science Fiction= Any science that omits God.)
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To: BenLurkin

Genuine ancient fiction. Written by Danus Brownus.


28 posted on 04/07/2006 7:13:48 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: BenLurkin
LOL.

MY first thoughts also. Bet that was common for many of us here on this site.

29 posted on 04/07/2006 7:14:31 AM PDT by TruthWillWin
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To: All

Yes, yes, we have the new christian doctrine being heaved upon us....

Jesus did not rise from the dead, he was only sleepy, and after some herbs and a nice nap he awoke to proclaim "Look dude's I'm back from the dead!!"

Jesus did not walk on water. It was cold, he walked on ice.

Jesus was in cahoots with Judas to have him betray him. The kicker being he must have also told him to kil himself-- just to make the cover up more believeable.

Pattern here?
Nah.


30 posted on 04/07/2006 7:15:21 AM PDT by CygnusXI (Where's that dang Meteor already?)
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To: Dog Gone

You would be in the extreme minority on your view. Even most secular scholars who do not believe the NT holds any divine significance agree that most all the books of the NT were written in the 1st century.


31 posted on 04/07/2006 7:15:55 AM PDT by bethelgrad (for God, country, the Marine Corps, and now the Navy Chaplain Corps OOH RAH!)
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To: presidio9

So what's the date of the earliest surviving manuscript of the canonical Gospels?


32 posted on 04/07/2006 7:16:07 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: BenLurkin

It's probably the Times font that gave it away.


33 posted on 04/07/2006 7:17:21 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (But even if he does not...)
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To: presidio9
It sounds like the GoJ is an authentic historical artifact, just as a 2000 year-old mosaic depicting the labors of Hercules would be an authentic historical artifact. It's a shame that National Geographic damages the significance of the finding by trying to make it into something that it isn't.
34 posted on 04/07/2006 7:17:23 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (When Al Franken had his bris, they threw away the baby and saved the foreskin.)
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To: wideawake
Well, according to anyone who's ever done intensive work on the NT - be they Christian, Jewish, agnostic or what have you - all the NT documents except two absolutely date from the 1st century, and there is a good chance that the remaining two do date from the 1st century as well.

That's a gross exaggeration.

35 posted on 04/07/2006 7:17:53 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: formercalifornian
>Fake but fake
"After being discovered in Egypt in the 1970s, National Geographic's manuscript was badly damaged, perhaps as a result of repeated attempts by earlier owners to sell it (sometimes at a high price, which it never fetched). As late as last February, National Geographic reports, "a missing half-page of the gospel resurfaced in New York City." This does not inspire confidence in the chain of custody or the document itself..."



36 posted on 04/07/2006 7:18:37 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: wideawake

There are original fragments of Paul's writings?


37 posted on 04/07/2006 7:18:49 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: presidio9
Judas 1:1

And it came to pass that afterwards I didst receiveth a tidy sum of 30 pieces of silver for doing my Lord's bidding. But, yea I was consumeth by guilt for not having asketh more to aideth in the production of my original screenplay: Jesus Christ Superstar and thus find myself about to steppeth off a chair with a rope around my nec

38 posted on 04/07/2006 7:19:17 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.)
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To: VeritatisSplendor

Really good heresies never go away, they just sort of recycle as part of someone's latest revelation.


39 posted on 04/07/2006 7:19:39 AM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: N. Theknow

ROFL!


40 posted on 04/07/2006 7:20:36 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (When Al Franken had his bris, they threw away the baby and saved the foreskin.)
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