[A CA Guy]

What can I say, anyone here really want to hear the pro-dope advocates tell you anymore that legalizing stuff makes it better and reduces criminal activity?

Here it was made legal and it sprung up pot shops and crime all over the place.

If they do want to continue to allow medical pot, they should have limited dispensaries under better control, all this rise in crime isn't good.

IMO this is just a peak at the problems we'd have if it were all legalized. Just the same, watch the pro-drug crowd overlook the facts and still fight for their dope.

The doctors giving a recommendation to people with commonplace aches and pains is again the dopers getting on back of the really sick folks to get their drugs. These doctors need to be prosecuted IMO.

The law needs to require IMO at least one government approved doctor to verify recommendations for pot and any doctor who prescribes the pot a lot and that appears to be some sort of activist themselves should be possibly removed from being allowed to recommend this stuff at all.

I have no problem with dying people and really bad off people getting some of this stuff in limited fashion and in limited places, but I think you know the law has failed when you get patients and doctors allowing those not that sick to participate in their sacrament of recreational drug use.

The crime popping up is a deal breaker for sure.

[Ostlandr]

Like I keep saying: Let's to a land swap with China, Taiwan for California. Each nation gets rid of a rogue province, China gets millions more socialists and we get millions more capitalists.

And for the record I have no problem with medical marijuana. I just think it should be done legally, by perscription.

[31R1O]

I think that the problem arises from the quasi legal status. In other words there is still money to be made. In my opinion if it were legal for any adult to own and grow their own plants the situation would be different. That doesn't mean do away with DUI and public intoxication laws at all. All that I'm saying that as long as there is a potential black market, the crime and such is going to be an issue.

[xpertskir]

"pro-drug crowd"

AKA "limited government intervention and freedom club"

While I do believe that the government really should not be chosing which drugs are legal(alcohol, oxycontin, ephedra, Valium) and which are dangerous and need to be criminalized(marijuana, LSD, psilocybin, ectasy).

While it is the duty of the state to keep its property owners safe IMO they are overstepping their bounds in classifying substances for personal use as arbitrarily legal or illegal.

[xpertskir]

"pro-drug crowd"

AKA "limited government intervention and freedom club"

While I do believe that the government really should not be chosing which drugs are legal(alcohol, oxycontin, ephedra, Valium) and which are dangerous and need to be criminalized(marijuana, LSD, psilocybin, ectasy).

While it is the duty of the state to keep its property owners safe IMO they are overstepping their bounds in classifying substances for personal use as arbitrarily legal or illegal.

[RonF]

Well, no - it wasn't made legal. If it had been made legal for recreational users, they wouldn't be faking illnesses and getting scrips to go to these pot clubs. And if it was made legal for medicinal purposes only (by which I mean legal at the Federal level), then it would be purchasable at your local CVS/Walgreens/Osco and the pot clubs would go away.

The crime comes from it being legal at the local level, but not at the State or Federal level.

[BlueDragon]

Let's see...an increase in traffic at Fisherman's Warf?
How was THAT determined??? Ever tried driving in North Beach? Or any where in S.F.? It's long beeen a good place to get one's car stolen, anyway.

(there was an old joke, attributed to Henny Youngman, addressing S.F.'s long existing parking problem, recently repeated here on another thread ---- he said "I've finally found out how to get a parking spot in San Francisco. Just buy a car that's already parked!")
An increase in "crime"? Like there was something less of an amount of "petty" crime, before that joint moved in?
HA! Just how could anyone say with certainty, "oh, it's the pot dispensary"? Have those committing "petty crimes" been found to have visited the dispensary, much less, "there has been an increase in small crimes, and it is all the pot clubs' fault"? Are they out picking pockets to buy pot? Are they stealing loaves of bread because they have the munchies?
If folks are commiting crimes, it's more because they are criminals, rather than they are either stoned on pot, or trying to get that way. Folks rob liquor stores to buy harder drugs, for the most part ---at least compared to pot.
Booze contributes more to crime, overall, than pot does.
And no, I don't smoke the stuff.
Still, Fisherman's Warf does seem a lousy place for a pot dispensary. What's the need for it to right there? To sell to the occassional geriatric tourist whom suffers chronic pain? Yea, right, like I really believe it's all so innocent.

[pabianice]

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[pageonetoo]

Here it was made legal and it sprung up pot shops and crime all over the place.

What specific crime increased? There are no numbers provided, only a casual suggestion, by an interested group.

I have no problem with ...

Like it really matters if you have no problem with it, gal. Waaahhhh, you sound like a charter member of the WCTU! What business of yours, is it is I wanted to sit on the lawn across from the Lincoln Memorial on July 4th, and waft the billowing clouds of burning bud. I will probably even partake a toke or three... along with thousands of others.

I went there a couple years ago. I watched a line of 20 (or so) Park Police winding their way through the clouds (I meant crowds). They hassled a few kids, but mainly were confiscating coolers with booze in them. There were signs clearly posted that you can't drink on Park property...

[pageonetoo]

OOPS! Should read: What business of yours, is it IF I wanted to sit on the lawn across from the Lincoln Memorial on July 4th, and waft the billowing clouds of burning bud.

(btw, they told me they had a good place to dispose of the confiscated beer, etc. They had a party planned later!)

[xpertskir]

These threads always piss me off.

Conservatism is based in thousands of years of human experience, Liberalism is based in theory.

So those of you without experience choose not to post.

[RobRoy]

I haven't touched marijuana (the only illegal drug I ever took) since 1977. I think it is stupid, other than for real medical reasons.

I also think it should be legalized in the same way alcohol is.

[mc6809e]

What can I say, anyone here really want to hear the pro-dope advocates tell you anymore that legalizing stuff makes it better and reduces criminal activity?

Why do you hate freedom?

Seriously.

[Central Scrutiniser]

Here it was made legal and it sprung up pot shops and crime all over the place.

Any statistics? Or just your slanted anectdotal views?

[L.N. Smithee]

An Oakland TV station conducted surveillance of a legal pot club in one of the city's rundown used-to-be-downtown areas, and found that there were "straw purchases" of pot by "patients" with prescriptions that were immediately resold to people waiting in parked cars.

I live in a neighborhood that used to have a pot club. It was a storefront with no sign and no indication of what was going on inside. I never knew it was there until it was robbed at gunpoint...twice. It has since moved.

[Truth-The Anti Spin]

Get the federal government the hell out of my lungs and brain cells..

Interstate commerce clause my ass.

[robertpaulsen]

"since the passage of Proposition 215, which legalized the use and sale of marijuana to those suffering from chronic pain"

Bzzzzzzt! Wrong!

Neither Proposition 215 nor the California laws written around it allow for the sale of marijuana. It is illegal, under state law to sell marijuana, even for medical use.

[robertpaulsen]

"An ounce of marijuana will sell for $300"

Who was it that said, "Make it legal and the price will drop dramatically"? That's $300 without any tax! You can get it cheaper illegally!

What's really funny is watching California try to collect a sales tax on a product they say is illegal to sell.

"Under the new policy passed by the state Board of Equalization, businesses can get what is known as a sellers permit, allowing them to collect sales tax, without indicating whether their merchandise is lawful to sell. Like the federal government, the state Board of Equalization considers any kind of marijuana sale to be unlawful. "

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

"The city is saturated with pot clubs," said T. Wade Randlett, the president of SF SOS, a quality-of-life group that opposes the planned club.

The city is also saturated with AIDS, homosexual bath houses, pedophiles, methamphetamine, traitors, and any other manner of societal decay...

[OmahaFields]

It must be pretty bad if the SF'ers don't want it in their neighborhood.