War: Pat Buchanan vs. Neo Cons

newsmax ^ | July 22, 2006 4:42 p.m. EDT | NewsMax.com Staff

[do the dhue]

I would support any democratic country being attacked by homicidal maniacs

Hear!! Hear!! And I think God is watching.

I don't like it when terrorism happens to India. When it does, I wonder why we support Pakistan so much.

I think Bin Laden is in their country and I want to go git him.

As far as our foreign policy goes, it would be better if we proceeded on what was best for our Country

maybe we do that and I just don't know all the facts, but there are times when I question our policies.

Thank God, Jesus, no one, Allah, Yeshua, Buddha, and/or all the Hindi God's (it's a free country and the first gift to man) that this feller is not our President

[Sioux-san]

Let's face - few Catholics even read the Bible pre-1960s because their Priests told them not to - that they weren't going to be able to understand it on their own and that they needed the priest to do the interpeting for them. In fact I was listening to a priest on tv (Fr. Corappi -sp?), who I like very much, and here in the 21st century, he was saying the same thing.

If you are reading a pre-1960s Catholic Bible now as opposed to back in the actual 1960s, then it is not the same. Anti-semitism ran rampant in our country back then, for both Catholics and Protestants. Bottomline - I wasn't trying to insult you. JUst trying to figure out Pat...

[irishjuggler]

. Bottomline - I wasn't trying to insult you.

Bottomline- you succeeded in insulting me without trying. Your views of the Catholic Church are nothing but worn-out cliches. Where do you get your information? Jack Chick comic books? The local Masonic lodge? If priests told Catholics not to read the Bible, why did practically every Catholic family have a Bible in their home? Pat B. may be an anti-Semite, but there are anti-Catholic bigots out there, as well. Look in a mirror.

[Agrarian]

Very true. I know a lot of people who like Buchanan very much -- and every single one of them crawled over broken glass to vote for GWB in 2004. In spite of the bloated budget, the inaction (or worse) on immigration, etc., I think we'd all crawl over broken glass to vote for him again.

[rmlew]

Opposing Israeli policies is completely legitimate.
Opposition to Israel's existence is almost exclusive to anti-Semites.

My answer had more to do with the ideological resons for supporting Israel and/or the war on terror.

I consider myself to be a "civilizationist" in terms of foreign policy. (This neologism, coined by myself and Lawrence Auster in deference to Samuel Huntington, has not quite caught on.)
I see a Clash of Civilizations as the defining issue of our age. We are in conflict with the Islamic world, China, and Russia. By conflict, I do not mean war. Rather we are competing and hostile, with occasional military flare ups. Our natural allies are mostly found among the descendants of Catholic Christendom and their colonies, in particular the majority-European British Commonwealth. Although it does not fit this mold as well as Australia, Israel is part of the West.

Of course, within the West, we have a serious conflict between nationalists, Trans-National Socialists (Tranzis), and Trans-national Corporatists.

[rmlew]

Bill Lind was all but giving Hamas advice last week.
http://amnation.com/vfr/


Why not read and address the article.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=23482

[ninenot]

Yah--but "geostrategic" issues are interpreted to mean "anti-Semitic."

We note that Bill Buckley also pulled the trigger on GWB's adventure in Iraq today/yesterday.

[ninenot]

We are to take it that PJB had nothing to do with any of this, right?

After all, he's anti-Semitic.

[ninenot]

Nope. The Pope (JPII and Benedict XVI) have been very clear: attacks on Israel have been denounced, repeatedly. But what this Pope (and JPII) have said that gets, ah, negative attention in Israel is that the Palistinians deserve a homeland of their own. By the way, I read the Bible long before 1960. It was clear to me that secularized powers, both Jewish and Roman, were active in the execution of Christ.

[ninenot]

Glad to know YOU know a lot about Catholics, then and now.

What's the inside scoop on JW's?

[BlackElk]

They have Jordan and it too has a right to exist.

[rantblogger]

Mr Trump branded Mr Buchanan a "Hitler-lover", referring to a book in which Mr Buchanan said Britain and France should not have gone to war with Nazi Germany in 1939, and that the US should not have entered the fight even after Hitler invaded France. In December of 1991, William F. Buckley had a cover story in the National Review where he investigated the charges that Buchanan was antisemitic. WFB said he wasn't ready to call Buchanan an antisemite, but he also said he couldn't defend Buchanan from the charge.

On Nazis, Buchanan's own words:

1990: "The problem is: Diesel engines do not emit enough carbon monoxide to kill anybody."

- NY Post, March 17, 1990 (from a column about the trial of accused Nazi war criminal John Demjanjuk)

1990: "Whatever Rudolph did during World War II, his quarter century of service to the United States entitles the old man to a public hearing before he goes to his grave."

- NY Post, July 14, 1990, on Arthur Rudolph, Nazi rocket scientist investigated by OSI who aided the American space program

1983: "Perhaps this endless search for Nazi war criminals, these endless re-enactments, on stage and screen, of Hitler’s concentration camps are good for the soul. To what end, however, all this wallowing in the atrocities of a dead regime when there is scarcely a peep of protest over the prison camps, the labor camps, the concentration camps operating now in China and Siberia, in Cuba and Vietnam."

- Washington Times, August 24, 1983

1977: "Those of us in childhood during the war years were introduced to Hitler only as a caricature…Though Hitler was indeed racist and anti-Semitic to the core, a man who without compunction could commit murder and genocide, he was also an individual of great courage, a soldier’s soldier in the Great War, a leader steeped in the history of Europe, who possessed oratorical powers that could awe even those who despised him. But Hitler’s success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path."

- St. Louis Globe – Democrat, Aug 25, 1977

Has Pat Buchanan ever defended ANYONE who wasn't an accused antisemite or Nazi?

Buchanan was weaned on antisemitism. His father was an America First nazi sympathizer.

Shame on conservative radio hosts and magazines who still give Buchanan a minute or an inch of attention.

[goldstategop]

Neo-con is simply code for "Jooooooooooooooooo."

(Go Israel, Go! Slap 'Em Down Hezbullies.)

[nopardons]

Exactly so!

[do the dhue]

How can people spew the spew they spew? I damn near got dizzy reading this. I can't imagine how I would feel if I actually said these words.

[bornacatholic]

By the way, what's the term for a "paleo-con" who supports Israel?

*A rarity

[bornacatholic]

Yep. I think any homeland for the Philistines ought be carved-out of Jordan, or Syria, or Saudia Arabia, or Egypt, or Iraq. I mean, look at the map.

It isn't like Israel has been too greedy sucking-up all the land in the ME. It looks to me like the Arabs have enough land to set some aside for their Philistine brothers.

Once the Philistines get their homeland, America can consider making Buchanan an Ambassador to it