Posted on 09/13/2006 1:23:22 PM PDT by Bokababe
Ah, but Hitler did bother us with his stupid little ethno-religious race war, Kronos, much like you and your friends bother us with yours.
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Hoplite, would you like me to start count members of my family murdered by Hitler and his helpers in that "stupid little war" of his?
The United States, boka.
Perhaps you are telling Serbs to just "die quietly" and not make too much of a fuss about it.
Perhaps you're just being silly.
No, strike the perhaps.
Good, then let's not:
BRITISH JOURNALIST EYE-WITNESSED OSAMA BIN LADEN ENTERING ALIJA IZETBEGOVIC’S OFFICE IN SARAJEVO
Former Bosnian Leader Izetbegovic Backed Terrorists to Open Accounts with Austria’s Erste Bank
TERRORISM: WEEKLY CLAIMS WARTIME BOSNIAN PRESIDENT LINKED TO AL-QAEDA
How'd you like to figure out how that's relevant to the subject at hand?
Face it, Boka - the Serbs were the biggest terrorists in the Balkans during the 1990's, and that's why we bombed them in Bosnia in '94 & '95 and Serbia itself in '99.
You can post all the revisionist BS you want, but nothing's going to change the actual facts of the matter, or our continuing policies in the region.
Did you even read the article? They have better uses for "the white devils" than as canon-fodder in Afghanistan & Iraq --where they'd probably get hit by friendly fire since they look more like the Americans than like the Afghans & Iraqis. The Balkan jihadi mission isn't Iraq, Afghanistan -- it's Europe, the US and Israel.
Bodansky joined in the discussion shortly later, with an analysis that found Osama bin Laden was focusing on the Balkans for a new wave of anti-Western terrorism.
He confirmed then that radical Islamists decided to use the terrorism infrastructure of the Balkans as a "key facilitator" in the proposed escalation of conflict aimed at Europe, Israel and the United States.
A new terrorist recruiter, identified by Bodansky as Shahid Emir Mussa Ayzi, a veteran of Afghanistan who was close to the al-Qaida elite as well as Taliban leadership, was appointed to run special operations.
A followup report, according to Bodansky, noted that "persons of Slav ethnicity" were being added to the Islamist jihad, and Ayzi said some of these "white devils" already had been indoctrinated and trained to carry out martyrdom-strikes "in a number of European cities."
He reported that the training actually was done under the cover of the Albanian National Army, with many senior officers being al-Qaida affiliates.
"Face it, Boka - the Serbs were the biggest terrorists in the Balkans during the 1990's, and that's why we bombed them in Bosnia in '94 & '95 and Serbia itself in '99."
That was the 90's, Hoppie. Things have changed. The US has less self-indulgent concerns than "humanitarian bombing" today.
"You can post all the revisionist BS you want, but nothing's going to change the actual facts of the matter, or our continuing policies in the region."
Only you, Hoppie, could refer to reports by a British journalist, a Bosnian Muslim paper out of Sarajevo, an Austrian Bank and a US Republican aide as (Serb) "revisionist BS".
Why don't you take a break, Hoppie, go out to Mariani Gardens (or wherever the old Ustashi hang out in the Valley these days) and say to yourself, "Tomorrow's another day, tomorrow's another day... !"
I always figured they were using the term Europe to mean "European Union" now. Like the country of "Europe". Everything else is just no-man's land.
You are probably right, mhx.
Yeah, I did. And the thesis that the locals are being held back for martyrdom operations in the Balkans flies directly in the face of our experience there over the last decade, whereas their being used for operations elsewhere suffers from the same defect as the Iraqi and Afghan story - a complete lack of supporting evidence.
Only you, Hoppie, could refer to reports by a British journalist, a Bosnian Muslim paper out of Sarajevo, an Austrian Bank and a US Republican aide as (Serb) "revisionist BS".
Osama's never been to the Balkans in person. Regardless of what you or Slobo's friends imagine, that's the best information to date.
Furthermore, Osama's efforts there were covered in detail by Evan Kohlmann, and contrary to Mr. Bodansky's writings, they were and continue to be a failure due to the local's lack of interest in Osama's cause.
Which leaves us with the Serbs. Contrary to your assertion that "that was then, this is now", now is still being colored by then, as evidenced by Serbia's continued isolation over the matter of Ratko Mladic. (But maybe Secretary Rice decertified Serbia back in June of this year because she's an Ustashi too, huh Boka?)
And as I understand it, your "experience over there" consisted of flipping pancakes on a military base while watching hours of CNN. Yes, YOU are so much more credible than Defense & Foreign Affairs, The Wall Street Journal, and a London Times Reporter! Wow, we can rest easy now that YOU'VE given us the "all clear", Hoppie!
Gee, where is Mark the Albanian, to fawn all over you and tell us what a "good soldier" you were? Missed his cue. He's probably watching fellow (Kosovo)Albanian, Tony Dovolani on "Dancing with the Stars"!
Really?
That's the problem - you understand nothing.
Which is why you're reduced to this juvenile level.
I reiterate, Boka - the Serbs are the problem in the Balkans as far as we're concerned, not the local muslim population you and your friends are intent upon misrepresenting as being part of Osama's worldwide jihad.
Yes. Really.
Serbia was bombed for entirely different reasons. Washington & London knew full well that the genocide story was bullshit (they came up with it, after all) and that Serbian atrocities were either exaggerated or completely fabricated. Not only that, but they knew even better what the KLA were (a bunch of church-burning, nun-raping, drug-running, white slavery cave dwellers). The State Dept. had them blacklisted before the Serbian police even lifted a finger.
Somehow, over the following 5 months, the KLA evolved into a noble bunch of helpless farmers trying to defend their families.
Gen. L. McKenzie (Canadian Forces, Ret.) said back in 2004:
Those of us who warned that the West was being sucked in on the side of an extremist, militant, Kosovo-Albanian independence movement were dismissed as appeasers. The fact that the lead organization spearheading the fight for independence, the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), was universally designated a terrorist organization and known to be receiving support from Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda was conveniently ignored.
So, Hoppie, my question is: Why was the link ignored? Most probably because someone thought the price was worth paying - and we all know what the cost was... and how heavy it was. We marked the 5th anniversary just a couple of days ago.
Serbia was the primary victim of the West's campaign of lies and deceit (and consequently something much worse), but some 3,000 innocent Americans paid the ultimate price, too. So, think about that the next time your knee-jerk reaction compels you to regard Serbian intelligence reports as bullshit and those sources who forewarned the West as "revisionist."
Wrong. Serbia was bombed because Milosevic was using his military and police to direct deadly force against Kosovar Albanian civilians and refused to cease these actions. We were going to bomb Serbia back in October of '98, but Milosevic pulled back from the edge. He didn't pull back in the Spring of '99 and so got his stupid ass bombed for his troubles and lost Kosovo for Serbia.
As to McKenzie, he's wrong. Plain and simple. Al Qaeda made overtures to the KLA in 1998, but were rebuffed, and their point man and his cell were arrested in Albania in that year.
So Banat, the question isn't one of your purported link, but why you're trying to present it as fact when it's nothing but BS to start with?
So, think about that the next time your knee-jerk reaction compels you to regard Serbian intelligence reports as bullshit and those sources who forewarned the West as "revisionist."
Nothing knee-jerk about it. You're wrong, and furthermore, Serbian intelligence has proven its worth by trying to tie the Madrid and London bombings to Bosnia, causing us to waste time and resources on what turned out to be Serbian lies.
Yeah, that's right: the present paradigm regarding Serbian intelligence is that it's nothing but self serving BS. It's not that we think they're incompetent fools who can't capture Ratko Mladic, it's that we know they're two faced liars who can, but won't, and would rather waste our time trying to retroactively justify their crimes by equating them with our war on terror.
And there you have it.
Our money in 1933, by I.G. Farben helped fund Hitler and then Hitler went on his rampage like a wind up toy.....
As to McKenzie, he's wrong.
**** No, he is not wrong. Our Fu$&*ed policy in the Balkans is a lie and wrong from the frigging start. We put the jihad in the Balkans.....
true story.....and historical fact
http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/057.shtml
This is why we're in the Balkans.
http://www.savekosovo.org/default.asp?p=4&leader=0&sp=38
http://www.savekosovo.org/default.asp?p=9
Lies....?? we've done our share to last a generation...
what are you talking about? The only reason that there is no violence against our troops in the Balkans, specifically Kosovo is that the Albanian mafia put the fear of God into them in 1999 and 2000. Don't even retort this as I have first hand info and reports that senior members, if you will; of the Mafia threatened the Imams if you cause trouble here we will kill you....that was direct. Secondly, there was a planned suicide bomber attack against Bondsteel, sometime either during 2003 or after....exact date I don't have at my finger tips....but, it was discovered by the use of polygraphy examiner during an interview with an Albanian terrorist. I know this because I personally interviews the examiner after he left Kosovo. Don't even retort, you are wrong before you begin.
From an official assessment I submitted;
"“Calming him down was of no use. Trying to make him understand that the religion of Islam is not inimical to Christianity in its central tenets was an exercise in futility. Reading to him the treaties signed by Abu Bakr and the Christian leaders in Jerusalem and Damascus, centuries-old treaties which promised the Christians that they would be free to practice their religion without fear fell on deaf ears.”
***** Comment: When I read this I also agreed, until I came to the word “Abu Bakr”. Then, reflecting back on my previous career in anti-terrorism, I remembered the following connections. I found this very interesting. First of all Islamic extremists met the outbreak of hostilities in Kosmet in 1998 with readiness and eager to fight. In part to and helped by the Clinton Administration by bringing them there, they were joined in a web of Islamic “humanitarian organizations” that had begun to appear in the Balkans in 1992 and were gathered around the strategy of the radical Islamic project of building an Islamic state, extending from Tirana to Sarajevo.
Now, It is known that the first instructors to train OVK [the Albanian initials for the ‘Kosovo Liberation Army,’ or KLA] terrorists arrived in the Drenica region in the early spring of 1998. They were: Abu Abdurahman Eimani, a Syrian who commanded the mujahidin camp in Bosinjak during the Bosnian war; Camel Larmani, an Algerian, a representative of the Igasa Islamic organization and a warrior who arrived from the barracks in Konjic [Bosnia-Herzegovina]; and Abu Hamza (Hamsa Husamedin), a Palestinian who worked as a logician in the transfer of mujahidin from B-H to the territory of Kosovo-Metohija. Sources emphasized that the jihad instructors did not come to Kosovo by chance. They were invited by Ekrem Avdiu, an Albanian and a mujahidin veteran, who had fought in the Tesanj [Bosnia-Herzegovian] brigade. He traveled to Saudi Arabia in 1997 and, upon returning to Bosnia, renewed contacts with people in the Muslim Brotherhood religious terrorist organization (closely connected with Bin Ladin), as well as with Adnan Pez, of the Zenica Active Islamic Youth. In May 1998, together with Spend Kopriva and Muhamed Avdiu, EKREM AVDIU FORMED THE FIRST MUJAHIDIN TERRORIST DETACHMENT IN KOSMET, THE “ABU BEKIR SIDIK” DETACHMENT.
There were 210 mujahidin in this unit, and its headquarters was in Donji Prekaz, in the Drenica region. In addition to Albanians, this formation of seven groups included separate groups of mujahidin from Saudi Arabia, Macedonia, Albania, and B-H, and a former member of the Bosnian El Mujahidin detachment, Abu Ismailj, commanded them. This mujahidin unit from Donji Prekaz cooperated closely with KLA commanders Adem Jasari, Sami Dustaku and Sulejman Seljimi. Shortly after the formation of the first mujahidin unit, a second mujahidin group started out from Albania toward Kosovo. On the night of 18-19 July [1998], that group had the “misfortune” of “meeting” a patrol of Yugoslav Army border units on Mt. Prokletije, near Djerovica, resulting in an armed clash, in which perished six mujahidin from Yemen, five from Saudi Arabia, and three from Macedonia, as well as their commander, Alija Ribit, from the village of Crnolice near Presevo. This group was supposed to have been commanded by a lieutenant colonel from the Iraqi army, Nuri Salif Muhamed, who attempted to enter Kosovo from the other side, from Serbia, but members of the MUP [Interior Ministry] of Serbia arrested him in time, in the village of Resen, near Bosilegrad. Sources stated, the Aden Abijan-Islamic Army terrorist group was also formed and acted during and after the war in Kosovo-Metohija; its general staff was in the village of Gornji Makres, near Kosovska Kamenica. The leaders of this group were Abu Al Hasan and, later, Hafet Ajadi, who disappeared on 17 January 2001. Also active in Kosmet, since June 1999, is the Abu Sajafa terrorist group, which has branches throughout Kosmet and in Albania and Macedonia, and which, according to intelligence information, has 160 fighters led by Khadafi Janjahani and Jusef Muhamed Khan. The fourth group of terrorists active in Kosovo and Macedonia, and who came from Bosnia, is the Maktab Al Kidame group, which was founded by Usama Bin Ladin, and which has a military intelligence wing and a financial wing, and closely cooperates with the B-H AID [Agency for Investigation and Documentation] intelligence service.
With the transfer of war conflicts onto the soil of Macedonia, in February 2001, Usama Bin Ladin’s al-Qa’ida founded two new mujahidin organizations, which act in the framework of the Albanian Islamic Front for the Balkans. Muhamed Hadafan Gamili commands the military wing of this organization, and Sheik Ahmed Ali Sedan leads its political wing. Otherwise, the Republic of Macedonia became an important transit point of mujahidin toward Bosnia in 1992, and since that time they have had a strong
center in the Gazi Baba section of Skopje. Through this organization, for example, aid is “distributed” to the Albanian population by humanitarians in the Mother Teresa and El Halil organizations, whose secretary, Bedri Sehapi, is president of the Islamic Religious Community in Macedonia.
Later in Kosovo, Serb children in Gorazedevac was murdered. ALL CLUES LEAD TO "MUSA" AND HIS "ABU BAKR SADIQ" GANG OF MUJAHEDDIN UNOFFICIAL UNMIK AND SERB INTELLIGENCE SOURCES SAY THAT THE SERB CHILDREN IN GORAZDEVAC WERE MASSACRED BY GROUP A OF KOSOVO ALBANIAN ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS
“Albanian terrorists opened automatic gun fire on August 13 on a group of children bathing in the Bistrica River near Gorazdevac. Ivan Jovovic (20) and Pantelija Dakic (10) were killed in the attack. Six other children were seriously wounded. Bogdan Bukumiric (15) spent six days in a coma and his life was barely saved by the physicians of the Medical Military Academy in Belgrade.”
Nexhmedin Laushi, also known as Musa, was the the organizer and direct perpetrator of the Serb children in Gorazdevac on August 13, 2002 or 2003. Intelligence data suggests that Nexhmedin Laushi headed the
extremist organization "Abu Bakr Sadiq" in the southern part of Kosovska Mitrovica, which strong evidence suggests has strong ties with the infamous al-Qaida. Musa's chief associate in this organization is a certain Ekrem Avdija, whom evidence also links to participation in the crime in Gorazdevac.
In addition, several hundred Mujaheddin financed by bin Laden in Kosovo and Metohija - Who committed the crime in Gorazdevac. The headquarters of this unit of 110 Mujaheddin was formerly in Donji Prekaz. With funding from Saudi Arabia, a well-equipped terrorist training center for Albanians was founded, who were then promoted into Mujaheddin. In the frame of this group is especially active group "Abu Bekir Sadik" whose members were arrested and sentenced in 1998, and later on released.
Other reports researched named among the terrorist are also ex commandants of operative zone Salja,like Rahmana Rame. In terrorist group in southern Mitrovica, among the other are: Ekrem Avdiju, Adem Avdiju, Ismet Avdiju,
Other reports from sources I know stated in London that directions were coming from high up in the Bosnian Islamic community to build more what we call 'Arsenal mosques' in Macedonia- this is the kind that has a lower floor beneath the main floor, for preaching fundamentalism, storing weapons. This was also done in Labunishta in the 2001 war. They are also used for hiding people (note this was the purpose for Abu Hamza's Finsbury Park Mosque in North London, 7 SIsters Road, where a few years ago they found some illegals including 1 or 2 Albs cowering in the Basement
I contacted one of my sources and his response was …….“There is ongoing investigation and I cannot answer if the arrested are members of the terrorist group Abu Kabir”, concerning the question that there are some rumors that the two arrested Albanians are members of the mentioned organization, which is connected with Al-Qaida. There are some speculations in Prishtina that Abu Kabir is a branch of Al-Qaida and operates in Kosovo in order to ethnically clean this region.
The OVK was financed by members of the Albanian diaspora (Florin Krasnici, a US citizen of Albanians descent who lives in New York, which he conceded publicly on CBS) and also by members of the Albanian mafia in the United States and European countries. Information exists that Al-Qa'idah had sent financial aid and organized the arrival of mujahedin from Islamic countries in Kosmet. The mojahedin unit that operated as part of the OVK in the area of Drenica was called "Abu Bekir." The United States had initially declared the OVK to be a terrorist organization and blacklisted it. It later changed its position and even started aiding the OVK. When Kosmet Albanians fled to Albania and Macedonia in the spring of 1999, during the NATO bombings, the OVK members had enough time to store most of their weapons in hiding places.
NOTE: 7 November 00 – It was reported to myself by a Sudanese UNV that a UNV (United Nations Volunteer) coordinator named Saif Ali MUSA was conducting meetings with various mosque’s in the Pristina and Gnjilane areas. Reported was that Mr. MUSA was preaching for Muslims to join a Jihad against non-Muslims. The Sudanese UNV’s are also in fear of returning to their homeland due to possible reports by this individual to the Sudanese religious leaders. He is from the Kyoto University, Ph.D candidate, Graduate School of Human and Environmental Studies. He was also based at Pristina at this time.
One little tidbit of information....
I know that a letter was written from an official agency in Belgrade to the Principal Deputy of the Special Representative of the Secretary General......during the month of August, basically implying that the organization "Abu Benir Sidik" might be implicated in the attack against the patrons in Dolce Vita cafe in Mitrovica, you know the grenade attack against the Serbs and internationals having a cup of coffee. Speculation is that this was supposed to draw fire to instigate another incident in order to PROVOKE the Albanians to riot and thus cause the UN and Peacekeepers to enter North Mitrovica giving them access to opppppppsssss, head off the partitioning and make it part of Independent Kosovo. We have no business provoking anything there in the near future......and need to stop screwing around. The Serbs won't put up with this crap........
I don't blame them. Leave the sh$@t alone!!!!!!!
Hoplite is making shit up again, goes to prove that even Alzheimer's patients can have momentary bursts of creativity.
Another geriatric gem, again Hopples, you weren't there and the good General was and he has more credibility rolled up into his left nut than your entire "military" (LOL!!!) career. There is a reason why he is a General and you aren't.
Its becoming easy to sniff you out pops, your depends need changing.
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