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Iraq Was Supposed To Become Like The USA - But The Reverse Has Happened: Part II
The Stiletto ^ | February 5, 2007 | The Stiletto

Posted on 02/05/2007 4:15:14 AM PST by theothercheek

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To: theothercheek

So far, it's true that the surrounding countries (being fellow Muslims) have accepted them. But, at one point, I think there will be a push that the US should also welcome the refugees. For Afghanistan, I believe there have been some small groups entering the US as refugees. I'm not suggesting this to happen. I simply want us to be prepared if such pressure comes up.


21 posted on 02/05/2007 5:44:41 AM PST by paudio (WoT is more important than War on Gay Marriage!)
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To: mariabush

Whenever a lib or dem tells me that going to Iraq was a mistake or that we went in for illegitimate reasons I always point out that at the outset of the WOT our enemies were scattered in 450 countries and we cannot fight a war on 450 fronts. At least now the Islamofscists and terrorists have flocked to Iraq where we can fight inone place at one time. That always shuts them up - except for those who want the terrorists to win.


22 posted on 02/05/2007 5:46:06 AM PST by theothercheek
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23 posted on 02/05/2007 5:46:14 AM PST by Gritty (The old Democrats lost wars out of incompetence. The new Democrats lose wars on purpose-Ann Coulter)
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To: paudio

If that Iraqi truck driver quoted in the NYT is any indication (and I know several Arabs, and they all feel this way) he wil never "be" an American, he will always be an Iraqi - apart from us. Our agenda will never be his agenda. Our national interest will never be his interest. We should think long and hard before we bring more Iraqis - or Muslims in general - into the US, if they cannot live in peace with each other and with Christians, Jews, secularists, atheists, and anyone else who is likely to be his neighbor in the US.


24 posted on 02/05/2007 5:49:08 AM PST by theothercheek
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To: jude24

Check out the actual speeches getting authorization. WMDs was almost an afterthought. In the press it was and is, of course, the only cause because it is the one that did not pan out. Actually, it did and lots of stuff has been found but Bush refuses to talk about it. The discoveries are made over and over again then the press is allowed to belittle them and then deny them with no further reaction from the administration or the military or Bush allows as how well maybe they are not so big a deal. Bush has not supported the war to the people. He has allowed the enemy to monopolize the war in the media. Bush is, well, a Bush. He is his Daddy's son and seems to have the same lacunae in his vision and conceptualization that GHWB had. That is the primary reason that I would be very leery of a Jeb Bush candidacy much as I respect his term as governor in Florida.


25 posted on 02/05/2007 5:51:46 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: Gritty
There's a cute debating technique. A cartoon.

If WMD's had been found, their finding would have been trumpeted loud and clear - not these inane WorldNetDaily stories about 1980's artillery shells containing decayed nerve gas.

It is undeniable that WMD's were the impetus to go to war. WMD's were the basis for the UN Authorization under which we invaded. WMD's were the entire case made by Secretary Powell before the UN - not democracy, not this flypaper theory. WMD's. And WMD's haven't been found.

So you can post cute little cartoons all you like. The cold, hard facts are on my side.

26 posted on 02/05/2007 5:51:56 AM PST by jude24
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To: theothercheek

I agree with you. However, an argument such as 'the US started it, now they have to do something about it' may be too strong for the liberals to resist.


27 posted on 02/05/2007 5:59:54 AM PST by paudio (WoT is more important than War on Gay Marriage!)
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To: arthurus
lots of stuff has been found but Bush refuses to talk about it.

Right. That must be why Bush himself has admitted no WMD's have been found.

28 posted on 02/05/2007 6:04:02 AM PST by jude24
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To: theothercheek

Well said!


29 posted on 02/05/2007 6:11:51 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: arthurus
Actually, it did and lots of stuff has been found but Bush refuses to talk about it. The discoveries are made over and over again then the press is allowed to belittle them and then deny them with no further reaction from the administration or the military or Bush allows as how well maybe they are not so big a deal.

The CIA has reported that no WMD's were found in Iraq.

Check out the actual speeches getting authorization. WMDs was almost an afterthought.

Baloney. The entire basis for seeking UN Authorization and the Authorization for Use of Military Force were entirely based on WMD's.

30 posted on 02/05/2007 6:14:24 AM PST by jude24
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To: theothercheek
At least now the Islamofscists and terrorists have flocked to Iraq where we can fight inone place at one time.

Three words: London Tube Bombings..

Two more words Gel explosives.

The terrorists are all in Iraq? Baloney.

31 posted on 02/05/2007 6:15:57 AM PST by jude24
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To: theothercheek
The root of the problem is that too many people in the US Government think that we saved and reconstructed Japan and Germany after WWII, and tried to recreate those conditions in Iraq.

The truth is, after suffering incredibly brutal military defeats, the Japanese and German peoples were ready to save themselves - and did an admirable job of it.

Like most Arab Muslims, the Iraqi people are not ready to save themselves. Whether from religious delusion or misplaced ethnic pride, there aren't enough Iraqi citizens who "get it"...some, certainly, but too few. If they would take lessons from Jordan or the UAE, Baghdad could have become another Dubai. Instead, it has become another Gaza.

32 posted on 02/05/2007 6:16:23 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: jude24; arthurus

Jude24 - you are truly the Patron of Lost Causes! the two items you claim prove the existance of WMD were claims made before the invasion.

The subsequent developments are that no-one has found them and the administration (well, Dick Chenney) claims on a regular basis that they did exist, but that Saddam had a big tag-sale before we got there, or swept them under the (Persian) carpet.


33 posted on 02/05/2007 6:33:28 AM PST by Diggadave
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To: jude24

Bush has publicly downplayed finds of sarin projectiles, chemical labs and huge stockpiles of precursors.


34 posted on 02/05/2007 6:36:12 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: jude24

35 posted on 02/05/2007 6:51:12 AM PST by Gritty (The Iraq war is the worst strategic mistake in the entire history of the United States - Al Gore)
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