[LtdGovt]

They can become ex gays.

That, you don't know. You have some people who claim they have changed their orientation, but you don't really have anything but their word for it. I remain sceptical of such claims.

They simply dont want kids to realize its a CHOICE and that you are not "born that way"

It probably is a combination of genetics and enviroment.

If its a choice, a lifestyle, theres no need to teach it to kids.

There is no need whatsoever to teach it to kids, whether it is a lifestyle, inborn or whatever.

[TChris]

That, you don't know. You have some people who claim they have changed their orientation, but you don't really have anything but their word for it. I remain sceptical of such claims.

And what do you have, except for their "word for it", to prove they ever were "gay"?

[OMalley]

Well I do have an ex homosexual in my family so I do know a little more than the average joe.

The program they went thru had a 98% success rate.

Now if you are born that way, you cant change it, no more than i could change the color of my skin.

Another thing that the family discoverd thru the program (and true of this family member)is that most homosexuals have sexual abuse in thier past, which distorts thier view of normal sexual relationships.

I also have a sister, whose majority of friend are gay men. some will tell you they thought they were gay from very early on, but most will say that it was curiousity and that from the first time they were hooked.

My biggest issue is that If we accept that they are born that way it becomes a very slippery slope (which is part of the homosexual agenda) btw.

Pedophiles claim they are attracted to children. you can give them drugs, punish them with jail time, castorate them etc and STILL they offend. do we want to say they are born that way too? that they cant help it?

Granted what gays do in the privacy of thier bedrooms isnt comparable to molesting children, but you cannot take one and say its normal and not the other-the argument will be (and is) the same.

Think im being silly. read up on on the issue. there are several psychologists already arguing that pediophilia isnt a disorder. that the only thing that causes damage to the children is us, as a society telling them what happened to them is bad.

I for one dont care what ppl do in thier bedrooms. but DO NOT bring it into my schools etc and tell me they are born that way and therefore should be considered normal.

Once we all drink that koolade the slippery slope will be so icy we will never beable to crawl back up.

[Albion Wilde]

That, you don't know. You have some people who claim they have changed their orientation, but you don't really have anything but their word for it. I remain sceptical of such claims.

The entire canard of "sexual identity" is the problem. In the traditional behavior-based model, people whose behavior is problematic are encouraged to embrace better, safer, healthier and more affirmative behavior. "Identity" is the marketing-based leftist political rationale for bad behavior that costs society and the taxpayer more money for a negative return.