Posted on 08/19/2007 5:28:12 PM PDT by SmithL
The gnasty gnats are certainly losing their gnat-minds more frequently these days.
And here I thought school had already started...
I haven't seen many of the Law and Order shows in which he's appeared, but of the ones I've seen, his character hasn't seemed particularly liberal. In fact, in one of them, he said he was pro-life.
We need to petition Jim for an ignore button. I would become a monthly contributor for that. :)
He's a "Jacksonian". No doubt in my mind.
His reason was like lightning and his action like a thunderbolt" Amos Kendall,.
Prominent Jacksonians: Ronald Reagan, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Fred Thompson, Oliver North, Pat Buchanan, Zell Miller
We can't even excerpt from the Tennessean, but here' s a link:
“Self” expression?
See, we agree again...
And miss all the love, never...
The Indian Removal act of 1830
Jackson was responsible for the notorious Indian Removal Act of 1830, and thus the Trail of Tears, in unconstitutional defiance of a Supreme Court ruling. In 1829, American demand for land due to population growth and the discovery of gold on Cherokee land led to pressure on Native American lands. In 1830, Congress passed the Indian Removal Act which, Jackson signed into law. The act was challenged successfully by the Cherokee Nation in 1832 in the US Supreme Court as Worcester v. Georgia, in 1832. Despite the Supreme Court decision, Jackson took no action to uphold the Court verdict, and in fact would openly defy it; he was quoted as saying "John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it!". As the court has no executive powers to enforce its decisions, Jackson's executive disregard of the court, marked a time when the Judicial branch of government was very weak. The state of Georgia held two land lotteries in 1835 to divide the Cherokee land, and Jackson sent military support to oust the Native population. This led to what is now known as the "Trail of Tears", which killed roughly four thousand Cherokee (25%), en route to Oklahoma.
The Battle of the Horseshoe and Jackson's subsequent betrayal
General and U.S. president ANDREW JACKSON. After ordering the removal of the Cherokee nation from the southeastern United States, the Supreme Court told him he had overstepped his authority and that their removal would be illegal. Jackson demanded that the Supreme Court show him its army, commenced with the removal, and forced the Cherokee onto what became known as the Trail of Tears. Adding insult to injury, Jackson ignored the fact that his life had been saved in 1814 by the leader of his Cherokee allies, Junuluska (Tsunu-lahun-ski), at Horse Shoe Bend, Alabama, when a Creek warrior tried to run Jackson through with a bayonet. In gratitude, then-General Jackson swore an oath of everlasting friendship with the chief. Junuluska later said about Jackson's refusal to stop the Cherokee Removal, "If I had known he would break his oath, I would have killed him that day at the Horse Shoe."
During the Creek wars of 1812-1814 Gulkalaski took 500 of his Cherokee scouts to help General Andrew Jackson win the Battle of Horse Shoe Bend. Gulkalaski had sworn to his people that they would exterminate the Creeks. General Andrew Jackson was directing the frontal attack of a Creek fortification that had been built within the projection of land created by a bend in the Tallapoosa River in eastern Alabama. Major Ridge, with his Lieutenant, John Ross, were directing the Cherokee attack on the rear of the fortification but were faced with crossing the river itself. Gulkalaski and two other warriors swam the Tallapoosa River in the dark and took the Creek warriors' canoes in spite of gunfire from the Creek Indians which wounded one of the three Cherokee, an Indian named Whale. This action gave Jackson the upper hand in what had been a situation stacked against him. In the ensuing battle Gulkalaski drove his tomahawk through the skull of a Creek warrior when the Creek had General Jackson at his mercy.
In the 1830's, when President Andrew Jackson was directing the forced removal of the Cherokee from their native lands Chief John Ross failed to get an audience to plead their cause. Chief Ross asked Chief Tsunulahunski to make an attempt. President Jackson granted Tsunulahunski an audience and heard his plea but curtly said, "Sir, your audience is ended. There is nothing I can do for you." The doom of the Cherokee was sealed. Washington, D.C. had decreed that they must be driven West. At the forced removal, witnessing the scene before him, and with tears gushing down his cheeks Chief Tsunulahunski lifted his face toward the heavens and said, "Oh my God, if I had known at the battle of the Horse Shoe what I know now, American history would have been differently written."
Is fred even running? why is he afraid to announce? What is he hiding? Thats what the Donks will ask.
It appears by your presence that they already are.
If you would have asked that in the first place instead of calling him a loser, you might have been treated a bit more nicely.
Yes he was a democrat. What's your point?
The Indians had to be fought and defeated. It was our "Manifest Destiny" to settle the west.
I suspect you are transferring modern day PC to the early 19th century. He probably owned a slave or two.
If he's not a man of honor why does he appear on our $20 Dollar Bill?
His reason was like lightning and his action like a thunderbolt" Amos Kendall,.
Prominent Jacksonians: Ronald Reagan, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Fred Thompson, Oliver North, Pat Buchanan, Zell Miller
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Fred Thompson for president bump!
I am not transferring modern day PC to anything as there is nothing PC about me and likely there never will be. I have no idea about his duels or anything else, but I stand by my analysis, and rightly so. I am not sure what "Indians had to be fought and defeated. It was our Manifest Destiny to settle the West", means or has anything to do with what I posted. If you read my post you would know it had nothing to do with "settling the West". This had nothing to do with the West unless you are referring to the Cherokee being moved West, force marched to Oklahoma in the dead of winter. This was called the Trail of Tears: [http://ngeorgia.com/history/nghisttt.html]
A Cherokee boy was thought to have found a gold nugget and that was the catalyst for this dark stain on American history. The Cherokee lawyers won their appeal to the Supreme Court, Jackson defied the order of the Supreme Court and in violation of the Constitution had them removed.
Jackson knew these people were not savages and that they were doing nothing other than living their lives on their land. Chief John Ross was a millionaire and quite a few that died on the trail, a 1000 mile forced march were Cherokee Baptist and Methodist ministers. The Cherokee had helped Jackson before and Chief Junaluska saved his life, but later regretted it when he realized Jackson was a man without honor and his word nor his oath meant anything. It wasn't our Manifest Destiny to settle anything. Forcibly removing Christian pastors and ministers, a people whose National Anthem is "Amazing Grace" from Northern Georgia, 1000 miles, 25% of them dying along the way is not something that was granted by God. It was not God, but greed. Why Jackson is on the $20 bill, I haven't a clue. It makes sense that a man of avarice and without honor would have his portrait on money though, if you think about it. I would change it tomorrow if it were in my power to do so. Perhaps replace him with Henry Clay or Davey Crockett, men with honor, who opposed Jackson and his dishonorable policies. How about Sequoyah, John Ross, Junaluska. This has nothing to do with PC and everything to do with the truth. My words stand and it makes my heart sick that anyone could hold this man out as a hero.
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