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Gay Unions Sanctioned in Medieval Europe [Smells Like BS!!]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20070827/sc_livescience/gayunionssanctionedinmedievaleurope ^

Posted on 08/27/2007 1:22:56 PM PDT by Hi Heels

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To: Hi Heels

This is sort of like leftists pointing at the current webster’s definition of marriage (”two PEOPLE”) and claiming that as “proof” that marriage isn’t defined as one man one woman.

However, they don’t want to, even if they know it to be the case, acknowledge that this definition has only recently been modified. I believe within the last 5-7 years.


21 posted on 08/27/2007 1:37:11 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Hi Heels

No wonder the pilgrams got out of there.


22 posted on 08/27/2007 1:37:50 PM PDT by lakeman
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To: Hi Heels

Wow! This is as startling as the revelation that guns were very rare in colonial America!

(rolling eyes)

I wonder if Tulchin will gain the same accolades and awards as Bellesiles.


23 posted on 08/27/2007 1:38:06 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: Hi Heels

“... can be interpreted as supporting... tricky at best to figure out... I suspect that ... impossible to prove either way ...”

What a load of BS.


24 posted on 08/27/2007 1:39:04 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: massgopguy

That was my first thought, as well. “Guess this guy needs to see Braveheart...”

Go Mel!


25 posted on 08/27/2007 1:41:31 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: bmwcyle
Yup, those gay guys had everyone fooled ~ a closet in every room and who'd a guessed it.

/SARC

26 posted on 08/27/2007 1:41:41 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: wideawake
In other words, there is not a shred of evidence for his claims whatsoever.

Coming up next: Moorish winos at the dawn of the deconstructionist period!

27 posted on 08/27/2007 1:42:03 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: Hi Heels
The ins-and-outs of the medieval relationships are tricky at best to figure out.

Er...uh.... Nope, just going to leave that one alone.

28 posted on 08/27/2007 1:42:07 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (May the heirs of Charles Martel and Jan Sobieski rise up again to defend Europe.)
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To: CholeraJoe

“Was that considerate? Was that polite? And not a tube of Preparation H in sight.”


29 posted on 08/27/2007 1:42:52 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Hi Heels

Burning witches was sanctioned in medieval Europe...should we go back to the good old days?


30 posted on 08/27/2007 1:43:24 PM PDT by syriacus (If the US troops had remained in S. Korea in 1949, there would have been no Korean War (1950-53))
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To: Hi Heels

“...impossible to prove either way...”

Oh. So I guess that settles it.


31 posted on 08/27/2007 1:43:59 PM PDT by Natchez Hawk (What's so funny about the first, second, and fourth Amendments?)
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To: Hi Heels

This at best proves the Dark Ages has Communists. We know that “utopian” communities flourished (and died) by the dozens in the New World, failed attempts to put a stupid, non-functioning philosophy that looked good on paper into action. And the obvious conclusion is that if this kind of relationship did anything good for society, it wouldn’t take a medeival scholar with an agenda to surprise us with it.


32 posted on 08/27/2007 1:44:31 PM PDT by 50sDad (Angels on asteroids are abducting crop circles!)
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To: Hi Heels

Sure, they tied them to the same stake when they burned them.


33 posted on 08/27/2007 1:44:51 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (Say Cheese.)
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To: Macrinus

Such behavior, when caught in Her Majesty’s Navy two centuries ago, brought about keel-hauling as a method of helping the British sailor think over his personal “lfie choices.”


34 posted on 08/27/2007 1:47:08 PM PDT by 50sDad (Angels on asteroids are abducting crop circles!)
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To: Hi Heels
This is how to promote an agenda 101 brought to you by your local liberal university and yahoo news.

So the same contract for brothers to share an inheritance is maze-logically argued by this “genius” to be a gay union contract.

35 posted on 08/27/2007 1:47:52 PM PDT by rod1
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To: Hi Heels

Revisionist History in full swing.

These sort of things were nothing more than the Medieval equivalent of an S corporation. It had nothing to do with legalizing any sort of homosexual relationship.... which still would have put you frying at the stake before a Cannon Court. It was all about a legal contract governing property ownership.

Mostly this sort of thing would have been used by actual brothers or other individuals that had a blood relationship.

Medieval Europe faced serious problems with population growth and division of inheritance.... and developed various mechanisms to deal with it. Primogeniture was one of these... shared ownership like the contracts being discussed were another.

Essentialy, a plot of land that could easly support 1 man and his family in one generation..... couldn’t be subdivided indefinately among the heirs of succeding generations and still produce enough to support all those heirs and THEIR families. Figuring out methods to keep parcels of land intact through succeding generations was a huge deal for a relatively closed agrarian society like Europe. This was also one of the major primary drivers for exploration and colonization/conquest of lands outside of Europe.


36 posted on 08/27/2007 1:48:16 PM PDT by Grumpy_Mel (Humans are resources - Soilent Green is People!)
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There was no reason to write this article whatsoever. It has no statement of fact, just conjecture. It's being sent out over the wires with the hope that a few local papers will only print the first few paragraphs or totally remove the context. When are people in academia going to stop projecting their own 21st century perspective on the past?
History has already told us that homosexuality was a underground practice amongst the rich and the academic communities. It was punished by death or if the person paid enough, he was allowed to flee, which made it a crime of the rich.
37 posted on 08/27/2007 1:49:01 PM PDT by newnhdad
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To: Hi Heels
In the contract, the "brothers" pledged to live together sharing "un pain, un vin, et une bourse," (that's French for one bread, one wine and one purse).

Our Founders pleaded each other their "lives, fortunes, and sacred honor" and they weren't poncing nancy boys. Sometimes a pledge is just a pledge.

38 posted on 08/27/2007 1:49:05 PM PDT by 50sDad (Angels on asteroids are abducting crop circles!)
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To: Hi Heels

You don’t think Professor Tulchin is just another disinterested member of the scholary profession in search of truth (well, not that there is such a thing)?


39 posted on 08/27/2007 1:50:02 PM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: Grumpy_Mel

Exactly!


40 posted on 08/27/2007 1:50:05 PM PDT by puroresu
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