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Obama - Iran…No Big Deal
Flopping Aces ^ | 05-19-08 | Curt

Posted on 05/19/2008 9:30:45 AM PDT by Starman417

Obama preached to his flock yesterday and what he said would surprise many people with a little knowledge of history (a class Obama clearly flunked). He said that the Soviet Union collapsed because we negotiated with them.....stop laughing, let me finish.....and that Iran really isn't that big of a threat:

Ok, history lesson. The USSR collapsed because their economy collapsed. That collapsed because they tried to keep up with Reagan and the defense build up along with the "star wars" program.

Then he goes on to say Iran and the US have common interests? Is he freakin insane? We neither wish to see Israel wiped off the map nor funding of terror groups like Hamas nor the supplying of our enemy in Iraq. He then goes on to say that Iran doesn't spend as much money on its military infrastructure as we do so why worry?

Well, because a dozen AQ members on a shoestring budget did more to hurt this country then the USSR ever did Obama.

McCain answers this lunacy today:

(Excerpt) Read more at Flopping Aces ...

TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; cicobama; communismkills; genreagan; iran; nobama2008; obama; reaganlegacy; revisionisthistory; stalinisttactics; usefulidiot; ussr

1 posted on 05/19/2008 9:31:03 AM PDT by Starman417
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To: Starman417

But of course Obama doesn’t view Iran as a problem. He supports Islamic extremists.

2 posted on 05/19/2008 9:40:05 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: Starman417

Not negotiating with terrorist states relies on wisdom bequeathed from parents and grandparents of the Greatest Generation. They matured, survived, and directed world affairs through tragedies we cannot fathom from our base of unimagined luxury and serenity. They possessed a unique understanding for describing actions in the Geneva Conventions placing some organizations outside the norm of war’s squalid bestiality.

The African/Oriental/Asian countries we want as allies for the Global War on Terror will test whether the U.S. can be effective in their worlds where assassination and genocide dominate politics. Effective diplomacy against mutual opponents will be covert, methodical, circumspect, painstakingly wrought, and multi-faceted. One must persevere through months or years of secret, tedious engagement at several levels, including espionage and military action. Opponents must encounter directness without belligerence, understanding any option can respond to their challenges. Malevolent opponents sustain refractoriness, until at least one walks out on negotiations. Feeling U.S. displeasure through espionage or military action must cause ruinous forfeitures to tyrannical elites. Feeling overt international displeasure minimally includes increasing political and economic isolation.

Only the most tangled, turbid thoughts could weave Kennedy, Nixon, Reagan, Soviet Union, and terrorism sponsors in the same sentence for Obama’s defense. The Soviet Union helped author the Geneva Conventions defining terrorist organizations as beyond redemption. They among others provided our State Department wisdom to list Iran, Syria and North Korea as principals acting through irredeemable terrorist agents. Obama’s promise to negotiate directly displays either supernatural gullibility or irremissible duplicity.

3 posted on 05/19/2008 9:51:10 AM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: Starman417; All
Obama and his advisors know full well that Iran, Russia, China and that nut case in Venezuela (Chavez) are all in this together. According to FoxNews, he also said Chavez (and China?) wasn't a problem. This guy is extremelly dangerous and he is NOT naive in this regard. He wants to weaken the U.S. position deliberately!

"Chavez pledged that his country would 'stay by Iran at any time and under any condition,' state television reported. Ahmadinejad said he saw in Chavez a kindred spirit." "'We do not have any limitation in cooperation,' Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying. 'Iran and Venezuela are next to each other and supporters of each other. Chavez is a source of a progressive and revolutionary current in South America and his stance in restricting imperialism is tangible.'":

From National Public Radio (NPR):
"Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has been visiting countries such as China, Iran and Russia as part of an effort to build a 'strategic alliance' of interests not beholden to the United States. He considers the United States his arch enemy.":

From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."

From the Russian News and Information Agency:
"'I am determined to expand relations with Russia,' Chavez, known as an outspoken critic of what he calls the United States' unilateralism, told the Russian leader, adding that his determination stemmed from their shared vision of the global order.":

Russia, China flex muscles in joint war games
Reuters: Aug 17, 2007

CHEBARKUL, Russia (Reuters) - Russia and China staged their biggest joint exercises on Friday but denied this show of military prowess could lead to the formation of a counterweight to NATO.

"Today's exercises are another step towards strengthening the relations between our countries, a step towards strengthening international peace and security, and first and foremost, the security of our peoples," Putin said.

Fighter jets swooped overhead, commandos jumped from helicopters on to rooftops and the boom of artillery shells shook the firing range in Russia's Ural mountains as two of the largest armies in the world were put through their paces.

The exercises take place against a backdrop of mounting rivalry between the West, and Russia and China for influence over Central Asia, a strategic region that has huge oil, gas and mineral resources.

Russia's growing assertiveness is also causing jitters in the West. Putin announced at the firing range that Russia was resuming Soviet-era sorties by its strategic bomber aircraft near NATO airspace.

U.S. Navy Intercepts Russian Bombers Flying Near Ships
Monday, February 11, 2008
WASHINGTON (Associated Press) U.S. fighter planes intercepted two Russian bombers flying unusually close to an American aircraft carrier in the western Pacific during the weekend, The Associated Press has learned.,2933,330362,00.html

"the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century" -Russian leader Vladimir Putin on the collapse of the Soviet Union...
"World democratic opinion has yet to realize the alarming implications of President Vladimir Putin's State of the Union speech on April 25, 2005, in which he said that the collapse of the Soviet Union represented the 'greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.'

New Pentagon Report: China's Growing Military Space Power
By Leonard David
Special Correspondent,
March 6, 2008

GOLDEN, Colorado — A just-released Pentagon report spotlights a growing U.S. military concern that China is developing a multi- dimensional program to limit or prevent the use of space-based assets by its potential adversaries during times of crisis or conflict.

Furthermore, last year's successful test by China of a direct-ascent, anti-satellite (ASAT) weapon to destroy its own defunct weather satellite, the report adds, underscores that country's expansion from the land, air, and sea dimensions of the traditional battlefield into the space and cyber-space domains.

Although China's commercial space program has utility for non- military research, that capability demonstrates space launch and control know-how that have direct military application. Even the Chang'e 1 — the Chinese lunar probe now circling the Moon — is flagged in the report as showcasing China's ability "to conduct complicated space maneuvers — a capability which has broad implications for military counterspace operations."

To read the entire publication [29.67MB/pdf], go to (U.S. Dept of Defense) :

Obama Pledges Cuts in Missile Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Programs

February 29, 2008 :: News

A video has surfaced of Presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama talking on his plans for strategic issues such as nuclear weapons and missile defense.

The full text from the video, as released, reads as follows:

Thanks so much for the Caucus4Priorities, for the great work you've been doing. As president, I will end misguided defense policies and stand with Caucus4Priorities in fighting special interests in Washington.

First, I'll stop spending $9 billion a month in Iraq. I'm the only major candidate who opposed this war from the beginning. And as president I will end it.[i.e. not win it]

Second, I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending.

I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems.

I will not weaponize space.

I will slow our development of future combat systems.

And I will institute an independent "Defense Priorities Board" to ensure that the Quadrennial Defense Review is not used to justify unnecessary spending.

Third, I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal, I will not develop new nuclear weapons; I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material; and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert, and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals.

You know where I stand. I've fought for open, ethical and accountable government my entire public life. I don't switch positions or make promises that can't be kept. I don't posture on defense policy and I don't take money from federal lobbyists for powerful defense contractors. As president, my sole priority for defense spending will be protecting the American people. Thanks so much.

Article: Obama Pledges Cuts in Missile Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Programs:

" is a project of The Claremont Institute devoted to understanding and promoting the requirements for the strategic defense of the United States."


Obama Promises to Dismantle Our Armed Forces
by Robert Maginnis
Posted 04/10/2008 ET

(Mr. Maginnis is a retired Army lieutenant colonel, a national security and foreign affairs analyst for radio and television and a senior strategist with the U.S. Army)

YouTube has an undated 52-second clip of Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barrack Obama outlining his plans for America’s national defense. Obama’s presentation demonstrates either total naivete about important national security programs or he is just pandering for votes among the extreme left.

Note: Although I sent Human Events the ORIGINAL youtube video several weeks ago (original: ) and asked that they replace the copy they refer to (copy: ), they still have not yet done so. The original comes directly from the Obama camp itself and so is a lot more credible (some people (mostly liberals) have accused it (the copy) of being a fake). In any case, Col Maginnis does an excellent in-depth must read analysis of Obama's proposed defense policies (see:


From "45 Communist Goals":
Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963:

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

'Goals' 4-45 can be found here or at many other sites through a web search for "45 goals":

4 posted on 05/19/2008 9:58:22 AM PDT by Eye On The Left
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To: Starman417; NormsRevenge; elhombrelibre; Allegra; SandRat; tobyhill; G8 Diplomat; Dog; Cap Huff; ...

Thanks for posting this...

5 posted on 05/19/2008 10:01:22 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Eye On The Left
And they have friends in the Leftists communities


It’s difficult to imagine they are so blatantly antiAmerican!

See this :

Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left

And a review:


By  Kat Bakhu (Albuquerque, NM United States) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left (Hardcover)
I had long wondered why people on the Left had the propensity to speak more positively about people who would slit their throats than they do about their own country, which affords them more freedom and opportunity than anywhere else. David Horowitz has answered that question thoroughly and convincingly in his Unholy Alliance. Where I felt bewildered and confused, I now feel crystal clear. Unholy Alliance is such a great book.

It begins with the leftist movements at the beginning of the 20th Century, and works its way up to the present day, exploring the anti-American attitude of these movements in detail. Horowitz shows that the enemies of the US back then are largely the same group today, operating under the same misperceptions, making the same mistakes, and pursuing the same impossible utopia.

Individual chapters are included on the Patriot Act (I was persuaded that it is a GOOD thing); the democratic flip-flop on Iraq once G.W. Bush implemented what they agreed with Clinton needed to be done; the driving components of the current anti-war movement; as well as chapters on individual personalities who are major spokespeople of the Left. Horowitz covers a lot of ground, and he covers it concisely and clearly. Unholy Alliance is richly informative without ever being boring or plodding.

This book is so illuminating that I simply cannot do justice to it here. I love people who reason so clearly that they help me get my own reasoning clear. Horowitz is just that type of person! In the terrain of mindless clichés (no-blood-for-oil, etc.), he is a breath of real fresh air.
6 posted on 05/19/2008 10:07:39 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I keep meaning to get this book- thanks for ping and the reminder:)

7 posted on 05/19/2008 10:24:32 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Starman417


8 posted on 05/19/2008 11:13:17 AM PDT by mickeylee ("EXPELLED" the movie...Go see it!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
A problem I see as consistent is BHO makes stupid statements, then mcpain follows up with intelligent responses. BHO picks up on all the talking points. He remembers what he has been taught and will next time around appear to know what he is talking about.
This kind of guy is the same kind that would say start at the bottom in some company and through careful play acting rise to the top and then eventually fire all those that know what they are doing. He is most likely a drone of sorts, but with a talent to appear intelligent with the ability to lead ill informed people.
Frigen guy is very dangerous.
9 posted on 05/19/2008 12:07:43 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter was our best choice...)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Starman417

Iran: Obama is no big deal

10 posted on 05/19/2008 5:28:06 PM PDT by dervish (Obama and the Rats politicized Israel's 60th)
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To: dervish
This Obama guy needs a few more years in training pants before he will be ready to be President Senator dogcatcher.
11 posted on 05/19/2008 5:35:04 PM PDT by reg45
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