Posted on 01/11/2009 9:10:22 AM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
I agree that the GOP should at least try running a right winger but never in history has a candidate lost when he got 57% of the white vote.
Examine national and state elections. Very few places exist where 57% of the white vote loses an election.
The hump is now higher...much higher.
Whites will have to vote now more like they do in Utah or Mississippi or super high turnout like you wish,
and I doubt a more right wing candidate will pull more latinos or blacks but it could pull more whites, I firmly believe more folks voted for Palin than Mac
Mccain kissed their asses and for what? so 80% of them would vote against him for a black man?
sorry you may wish my post was nonsense but unless voting trends turn on it’s head it’s a new ballgame
demographics when Reagan ran are much different....voting Hispanics have almost tripled and they vote Dem with a few exceptions
Overwhelmingly, the purpose of that legislation was to grant amnesty to illegal aliens. Quite a few amendments were voted up and down during the long debate, and some made the situation decidedly worse. I don't know that anyone even knew what was in the bill that was finally rejected, as the subject of 'comprehensive reform' was dropped, there was no purpose in studying the rejected bill to really understand it, and it hasn't been discussed much since. - It's SOP for Congress to pass bills few have read and understand well, particularly the more voluminous bills.
And the main 'flaws' in the present immigration situation is/has been the deliberate refusal of cowardly, bought and paid for politicians and bureaucrats to enforce the laws they passed in 1987.
you got me thinking roamer,
have you looked at the 2000, 2004 and 2008 rounded off turnouts side by side
GOP Dem
2000 50,500,000 50,999,000
2004 62,000,000 59,000,000
2008 60,000,000 69,000,000
I don’t see the tunrout argument as very valid even though I thought so too myself a bit in the lead up
The Dems got 10,000,000 more votes and the GOP dropped 2 million compared to 4 years ago.
White vote was still around 58% in 2004 too. Looks like Dems just turned out much more...especially minorites.
I think a more conservative candidate can help but we are going to have to peel off some latinos which I think is a tall order or get more whites to vote right.
Blacks are a lost cause and Jews don’t matter except in south Florida....and they have been a lost cause too past 7 elections
Orientals ...maybe they are reachable....Japanese are the only ones vote GOP...no surprise there...they get culture
since you think my posts are nonsense please prove your point
respectfully
Vietnamese vote GOP as a rule, they learned all about communism before moving here.
What about the nearly 40 percent of American voters who don’t vote at all? How do we get them to the polls and voting for conservatives?
What about the nearly 40% of this country who don’t vote? How do we get them to the polls and voting conservative?
The nation claims 60%+ Conservative Christian. You have to stop looking at the 30% or less that are active voters and appeal to the ones who don't.
What it takes to get the every-day Joe six-pack to care enough, and believe enough to stop everything, go down and register, and then go down and vote takes more than slick Wall Street packaging and disingenuous platitudes. That's why, in Rush Limbaugh's words, Conservatism works "every time it's tried". That's why the Conservative base is 100 miles wide and 100 miles deep.
One would also do well to look at Reagan's high of 54m to Bush's high of 64m... 10m gained in 20 years? That is a sure sign of attrition considering the size of Conservative families, and their loyalty to what they believe in.
I myself, am responsible for doubling the voter roles within my own house in that time, with two more voting in the next election, though my father has passed away (a net +2, +4 by next election)- and that does not count my siblings (none of us voted Republican this year, I might add)...
Republicans should be able to easily bounce 70-75m by now- and if they re-committed themselves to Reagan, that is where they would be- But then, no one expects them to do that anytime soon.
Good point....I should have said that....
most are in Mississippi, Louisiana and Texas and reflect those values too
and they speak with southern accents
one Viet gal has worked with me family for years from Pass Christian...I feel bad having left them out
well 75 million voting GOP instead of the tops 62 million we got means either more whites get off their asses and participate or latinos have a massive Road to Damascus conversion or the GOP becomes the LatinoCracker party and God only knows.
There are no 15 million conservative blacks hanging back and really I’m not sure that many latinos can be moved so dramatically so it looks like whites are going to be the target.
and I’m not sure it’s conservatives staying home as much as MOR whites going for Obama that killed us...or both actually.
there is a fight right now obviosuly between the Moderates Pro Amnesty What Culture War You’re All Racists GOP and the Palin side. The media has dug in with the anti-Palin group.
It will be a challenge for her. She is going to need some bigname GOP to rally to her.
There is a large Vietnamese community in Garden Grove, CA, and they are very GOP (as a rule)... now the next generations may be another story since, it seems, we have a tendency to forget life lessons all too soon.
I hear Mrs. Wilson of Dennis the Menace fame admonishing “GEORGE!!!”.
You are not going to get more participation with "up the middle" politics. That has been proven over and over again. The "Giuliani Gambit" is a road to nowhere. Reagan Conservatism is what attracts voters, and loyalists, and that is where the money shot is.
There are no 15 million conservative blacks hanging back and really I’m not sure that many latinos can be moved so dramatically so it looks like whites are going to be the target.
As I said, You are analyzing voter rolls like they are a zero sum game, like there is only so much "pie" to go around... That is a huge mistake. The vast majority of this country believes in moderate-right to far-right ideals- polls on ideology prove it. What they don't believe is that anyone is going to really deliver on those ideals.
Convincing them otherwise as a Republican would be a helluva chore now, as they have proven themselves to be simpering, greedy, pretenders- out for the very same ends as the liberals, just doing it behind our backs. A sea-change overhaul of the old guard would do it, but that has not happened, as I had hoped, so there will not be success.
What would truly be insurmountable would be 30-50m illegal aliens becoming newly minted citizens in Republican stronghold states. We cannot win without Texas, and the coastal South, and those states would be irrevocably lost if amnesty is carried through. If you can explain why a Republican administration and senior senators are so willing to seal their own doom, I would appreciate it.
and I’m not sure it’s conservatives staying home as much as MOR whites going for Obama that killed us...or both actually.
*shrugs* There is something to what you say... the middle goes where the wind blows. That does not concern me. Those without conviction pile onto whatever bandwagon happens to be passing by. The reality is that there is only one bandwagon now- it is really just a matter of increment between the two parties, not a difference in ideology.
there is a fight right now obviosuly between the Moderates Pro Amnesty What Culture War You’re All Racists GOP and the Palin side. The media has dug in with the anti-Palin group.
It will be a challenge for her. She is going to need some bigname GOP to rally to her.
Palin will not get you what you want. She represents a moderate view which will not bring the Conservatives home. It would be best to look to a Reaganite.
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