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2 Thrown Out Of Heated Meeting On Health Care Reform (Cleveland OH)
WEWS.com ^ | Aug 13, 2009

Posted on 08/13/2009 12:49:55 AM PDT by boxerblues

CLEVELAND -- Usually a meeting called by your local congressperson only draws a few loyal constituents, but on Wednesday, Rep. Marcia Fudge became the latest Democrat to face friends and foes over President Barack Obama's health care reform plan.

Hoping there would be strength in numbers, Democrats packed the Ford Auditorium at Case Western Reserve University to show their support for Fudge and the president's plan.

But opponents made their presence known during a meeting that was billed as a state of the district address.

"We have been trying to fix health care for more than 60 years. And we are going to fix it," Fudge said.

With that, Fudge dropped all pretenses that this was a state of the district meeting and took on the topic of health care reform.

She also made it clear right off the bat that disruptions would not be allowed.

Anyone who attempted to engage Fudge before the question-and-answer period was quickly shown the door.

Case Western Reserve University police said two opponents of reform were ejected for being disorderly.

Fudge made sure critics knew where she stood.

"This is still my meeting," she said.

Opening the floor for questions, Fudge heard from both sides of the hottest topic in America right now. There were personal pleas from supporters of health care reforms, and opponents followed the national playbook of asking specific questions about the plan.

"Are you going to vote to include all Americans or all, anybody that's in here in the country right now?" one opponent asked.

Fudge responded, "Well, I don't know how many people who are not Americans that are in that number. I don't know that answer."

One question echoing around the country also reverberated in Cleveland: What's the rush?

"Because we haven't moved in the past doesn't mean we shouldn't move now," said Fudge


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: fudgepackers; fudgepacking; obamacare
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1 posted on 08/13/2009 12:49:55 AM PDT by boxerblues
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To: Las Vegas Dave; nomad

videos at link

http://www.newsnet5.com/video/20378750/index.html

http://www.newsnet5.com/video/20378082/index.html


2 posted on 08/13/2009 12:51:17 AM PDT by boxerblues
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To: boxerblues
"Democrats packed the Ford Auditorium at Case Western Reserve University to show their support for Fudge..."

"Dems packed Fudge". Sorry, I just thought it funny.

3 posted on 08/13/2009 12:54:47 AM PDT by airborne (WAKE UP AMERICA! OR DIE IN YOUR SLEEP!)
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To: airborne

Is she from Chocolate City? Sheesh. You CANT MAKE this stuff up! ;-)


4 posted on 08/13/2009 12:58:45 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Saul Alinsky. Read. Quote. Memorize. Adopt. Open this wonderful can of whoop-a*s back in THEIR faces)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I live near Hershey,PA and I haven’t seen her around! ;^)
5 posted on 08/13/2009 1:01:03 AM PDT by airborne (WAKE UP AMERICA! OR DIE IN YOUR SLEEP!)
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To: airborne


ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
6 posted on 08/13/2009 1:01:43 AM PDT by boxerblues
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To: AmericanInTokyo

No Cleveland Ohio took over Stephanie Tubbs Jones seat..one liberal hack for another


7 posted on 08/13/2009 1:02:59 AM PDT by boxerblues
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To: boxerblues
Methinks the Congresswoman doth protest too much!

What's all the crybaby whining about anyways?

She apparantly has no concept of American History and the very floor of her own United States Congress. Things were a lot more civil in her district, than THIS!

These people need to read history, understand context. Also realize the American people are being pushed way too far on some of this Socialist cr*p.

9 posted on 08/13/2009 1:07:40 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Saul Alinsky. Read. Quote. Memorize. Adopt. Open this wonderful can of whoop-a*s back in THEIR faces)
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To: boxerblues
Oh fudge...

Chocolate moose anyone?

10 posted on 08/13/2009 1:10:27 AM PDT by airborne (WAKE UP AMERICA! OR DIE IN YOUR SLEEP!)
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To: boxerblues

Oh, Fudge!


11 posted on 08/13/2009 1:15:54 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Liberals drink the kool-aid that Obama has puked.)
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To: boxerblues
Let me ask a couple of theoretical questions.

We have the example in these videos of the police ejecting citizens from an open town meeting conducted on public property. It is not clear to me whether the ejection was done at the instance of the congresswoman or on the policeman's own initiative.

My question is, will she get to control free speech in such a forum? Are these not citizens exercising a constitutional right to free speech, and right of assembly, and petition of their government and redress of grievances? Of course they were. They were doing so in a public building. Police appeared not to be municipal police but university police. I presume the university police are operating under some mandate from the state legislature and have some degree of police powers, more or less than the police powers normally to be exercised by ordinary municipal police force. Are they constitutionally or legislatively mandated police or they merely university rent-a-cops? Have they been properly trained?

The citizens were ejected for making statements before the question and answer period. Why would the police eject a person for such conduct? Were they operating under instructions from the congresswoman? From the University? From their own sense of decorum? What are the rules?

It seems to me that we are by default permitting the Arlen Specters of this world to define our free speech when they can order the police to enforce their own notions of decorum. If it is the police alone who are making these judgments, should they not exercise a bias in favor of citizens rights? Or is decoram more important?

If anyone has any case law or precedent I would be happy to be educated.


12 posted on 08/13/2009 1:23:06 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
Great questions. You'd think that the media there would have had an interview with the Congresswoman and asked her directly and if she had denied she instructed Police as such then the Police commander at the event should have been asked what his authority was. But then that means the media would actually have to do their job and report the facts versus what they want to report.
13 posted on 08/13/2009 1:39:01 AM PDT by cashless
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To: nathanbedford

Sounds like a rather vague “disorderly conduct” situation.


14 posted on 08/13/2009 1:44:18 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Liberals drink the kool-aid that Obama has puked.)
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To: nathanbedford

What happened to the Democrat National Committee “Listening Tour”?

When did if become the Democrat You-Shut-Up-And-Listen-To-Me Tour?


15 posted on 08/13/2009 1:44:32 AM PDT by donna (Synonyms: Feminism, Marxism, Communism, Socialism, Fascism)
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To: cashless

Or at least nosed a little. I’d expect she’d clam up and decline the question.


16 posted on 08/13/2009 1:45:14 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Liberals drink the kool-aid that Obama has puked.)
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To: donna
When did if become the Democrat You-Shut-Up-And-Listen-To-Me Tour?

Best as I can tell it never was anything else...

17 posted on 08/13/2009 1:46:00 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Liberals drink the kool-aid that Obama has puked.)
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To: donna

Thank you for a new tagline that I can steal.


18 posted on 08/13/2009 1:47:12 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (When did it become the Democrat You-Shut-Up-And-Listen-To-Me Tour?)
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To: nathanbedford

Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z32Ayet7SKU&eurl=http://curmudgeonlyskeptical.blogspot.com/&feature=player_embedded

Under what authority do these people limit free speech?


19 posted on 08/13/2009 1:51:14 AM PDT by DB
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To: boxerblues

Yet another DemoNazi fascist bitch. I wonder what they’ll going to do, when her constituents, (the ones that actually vote) realise, *thay* are among those who are near the top of the list of people this DemoGoon DeathCare Act, will deny treatments to?


20 posted on 08/13/2009 1:55:47 AM PDT by DGHoodini (Iran Azadi!)
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