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Why we should worry about political violence
LA Times ^ | 4-13-10 | Gregory Rodriguez

Posted on 04/15/2010 6:30:21 AM PDT by Til I am the last man standing

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To: Til I am the last man standing

“Gregory Rodriguez” LA Times.

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Feh.

The drop in urban violence is due in large part, to the number of often-violent illegals who have - given the collapsing US economy gone home.

Because they cannot find work standing on the street next to Home Depot anymore.

Mr. Rodriguez.


21 posted on 04/15/2010 6:52:32 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (2012: Repeal it all... All of it!)
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"I just witnessed a really amazing seminar by Randolph Roth entitled 'American Homicide.'

He has tried to put together homicide data for the United States over the last couple hundred years from newspaper reports and coroner reports. From this he makes claims that murder rates were basically flat from 1914 to 1933 and that prohibition had no impact on murder rates.

I really wish that I could post a copy of the figure that Roth presented. The fact that murder rates seem to have risen in individual states after they adopted prohibition doesn't seem to matter, that murder rates fell dramatically as soon as prohibition ended to the month in 1933 doesn't matter.

The more amazing thing is how he got his data together. When someone asked him about the subjectiveness of determining what is murder, Roth responded that it is extremely subjective: 'Tell me what murder rate you want and I can get you that murder rate.'

In most fields you want to have some separation between those who put the data together and those who use it.:

John Lott

22 posted on 04/15/2010 6:57:21 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: kabar

Whoops, I was busily formatting and missed yours...:-)


23 posted on 04/15/2010 7:00:24 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Til I am the last man standing

The sun usually rises if the cock crows.


24 posted on 04/15/2010 7:14:59 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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the states with the largest percentage of counties that voted more heavily Republican in 2008 than they did in 2004 saw an 11% rise in homicide in cities of over 100,000 residents.

Notice how this is worded. They try to suggest that it's republicans going around killing people. Pure hogwash!

25 posted on 04/15/2010 7:36:12 AM PDT by lwd
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Someone REALLY needs to write a new playbook for the left. At least a new chapter or two.


26 posted on 04/15/2010 7:41:25 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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Although this author is likely an annoying liberal, his point is valid. However, I would not blame individual Republicans for creating the conditions conducive to violence, I place the blame squarely on the 0bama regime and other the other Dims. In the 1960s, African Americans were right to rail against government institutions that supported segregation. Today, conservatives are against the 0bama regime and Dim pols for confiscatory tax policies that amount to involuntary servitude.
The regime raises taxes and reduces deductions. The regime mandates federally qualified health insurance. The regime hires more IRS agents. The typical conservative grumbles over the higher taxes and loss of liberty. Some are more unfortunate: they lose their job, their house, their dignity. Perhaps a divorce ensues and in some cases violence is the result. Perhaps the tax man cometh with promises of penalties and jail time. It’s easy to see how violence and anti-government violence could increase in this milieu.


27 posted on 04/15/2010 7:55:54 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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28 posted on 04/15/2010 7:58:51 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ("The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants"-Albert Camus)
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To: Til I am the last man standing
It sounds like junk science use of statistics. First is the correlation between violence and democrats alleged in the 1960s. The violence happened in urban areas that were voting democrat. Both were true but one had no effect on the other.

I'd like to see the 2009 data for the 11% increase in violent crime in counties that voted republican. The first reason I'd like to see it is because I have the actual F.B.I. tables for the first half of 2009 right here, handy. They divided the nation into four districts and gave the percent change for those districts in nine categories of violent crime. VIOLENT CRIME WAS DOWN IN EVERY CATEGORY.

Gross percent change:
Northeast: -3.2%
Midwest: -3.4%
South: -6.1%
West: -3.3%
Total: -4.4%

Now here is the warning from the F.B.I. on the 2009 Uniform Crime Report front page: (in the highlighted section under Please Note:)
Individuals using these tabulations are cautioned against drawing conclusions by making direct comparisons between cities. Comparisons lead to simplistic and/or incomplete analyses that often create misleading perceptions adversely affecting communities and their residents. Valid assessments are possible only with careful study and analysis of the range of unique conditions affecting each local law enforcement jurisdiction.

Besides that, this is what's called a relative risk calculation. Relative risks under two, and often under three, are considered meaningless. This relative risk is .11, well under the threshold for any significance to be established. Mr. Rodriguez is blowing smoke.

29 posted on 04/15/2010 8:01:37 AM PDT by sig226 (Mourn this day, the death of a great republic. March 21, 2010)
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This has more to do with obama’s followers believing they have the right to redistribte the wealth themselves. If it’s OK for obama and his thugs to steal and be the cause of deaths(death panels) , then it’s a “go” for them to do the same.


30 posted on 04/15/2010 8:24:22 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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During that period, the states with the largest percentage of counties that voted more heavily Republican in 2008 than they did in 2004 saw an 11% rise in homicide in cities of over 100,000 residents.

If I am reading that correctly, that would include places like Camden, Trenton, Newark, and Jersey City in NJ.

Talk about convoluted reasoning!
31 posted on 04/15/2010 11:06:11 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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