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Earth's magnetic shift impacts Tampa International Airport
BayNews9.com ^ | 01/06/2011 | Holly Gregory

Posted on 01/06/2011 2:59:15 PM PST by devane617

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To: Cementjungle

“This must be the cause of the mass bird deaths. The birds don’t have updated navigation charts, so they’re all flying into objects.”

Kind of like John Kennedy flying into the sea.


41 posted on 01/06/2011 3:59:55 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: epithermal
Thank you.

This movement is normal, known, and not an issue for pilots or the rest of humanity.


42 posted on 01/06/2011 4:01:43 PM PST by Textide
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To: devane617

I remember reading one time that the Earth’s magenetic poles shift every 740,000 years I believe. At any rate, 12/21/2012 is when it’s complete. So if this really the case( I don’t believe this is the case), then that might explain a lot of what’s going on. Who really knows???


43 posted on 01/06/2011 4:02:29 PM PST by Sprite518
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To: devane617
Could it be that there are too many airplanes landing in Tampa, and Tampa is tipping over?

Afterall, Congressman Hank Johnson (GA-Dimwitocrat) was worried about Guam tipping over with too many US troops there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg&feature=player_embedded#!

44 posted on 01/06/2011 4:23:01 PM PST by moovova (Don't let Obama spoil the word "hope" for you...)
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To: mikrofon

can’t...stop...laughing!


45 posted on 01/06/2011 4:26:48 PM PST by pepperdog (Why are Democrats Afraid of a Voter ID Law?)
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To: UCANSEE2; huldah1776
"You have to turn your compass upside down."

Additionally, the old saw about Digging a hole Down to China wouldn't be true anymore.

You'd have to dig your way "up to China"...

46 posted on 01/06/2011 4:27:56 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Textide
Nice GIF. I understand the earth field very well being a geophysicist who has done many magnetic surveys of the earth. As for whether it is not an issue remains to be seen. The poles may not just shift, but instead they could go into an intermediary transitional phase where there are no well defined poles. This has been recorded in volcanic rocks many times. But, there is probably nothing to lose any sleep over. Except telecommunications and power grids may be affected if the field fails and lets in more cosmic radiation:

Movement of North Magnetic Pole is accelerating

47 posted on 01/06/2011 4:34:07 PM PST by epithermal
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To: Excellence

Perhaps a little explaination. Runways are designated according to their magnetic bearing, rounded to the nearest 10 degrees. Since a compass has 360 degrees there are 36 possible runway designations, 01 through 36. If the actual alignment of the runway is 352 degrees the runway is designated 35. If the magnetic variation shifts so that the runway aligment becomes 358 degrees then the runway designation becomes 36. The runway designation is painted in very large numerals at the approach end of the runway. So if the runway landing to the north was runway 35, landing to the south it would be runway 17. If the alignment changes enough to redesignate the runway to 36, the numbers 36 would have to be painted on the south end (landing to the north) and the numbers 18 have to be painted on the north end, landing to the south. Having the numbers painted on the runway surface helps to ensure that a pilot does not land on the wrong runway.
As far as the wind is concerned, aircraft generally land into and takeoff into the wind. But you can have intersecting or parallel runways so the aircraft doesn’t always land directly into the wind. Often there is a cross wind. So its not just the direction of the wind but what runway the pilot has been cleared to. Kind of windy, but I hope that helps.


48 posted on 01/06/2011 4:35:45 PM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: devane617
Scientists say the Earth's magnetic North Pole is shifting about 40 miles a year toward Russia.

So are the liberals in Congress.

Ba-dum-dum CRASH!!

Thank you, everyone. I'll be here all week.

49 posted on 01/06/2011 4:36:50 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: devane617

Bullsqueeze! every aircraft chart in the world shows runway magnetic offsets. Airlines fly ILS or GPS.

Bullsqueeze!


50 posted on 01/06/2011 4:37:40 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: BatGuano

Actually, the magnetic bearing could be anywhere from 185 to 194.


51 posted on 01/06/2011 4:38:17 PM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Gaffer

‘unprecedented’


52 posted on 01/06/2011 4:40:27 PM PST by americanophile
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To: epithermal

I’m just a pilot. This article has caused friends and family to send emails today asking, “What’s going on in Tampa?”. People on this board have had some pretty interesting responses to it today as well, on this and other threads. I don’t think it’s widely known that magnetic north moves.

‘Normal’ movement and the big shift towards a pole reversal are two separate issues with me. Runways are renumbered all the time because of it. Airport diagrams list the annual rate of change. Folks are twitchy with stuff like this since we’re getting closer to 2012 I’m guessing.

Thanks for the article.


53 posted on 01/06/2011 5:15:16 PM PST by Textide
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To: mikrofon

I love this site! LOL


54 posted on 01/06/2011 5:31:21 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: Textide

Good points. I realize most people have never had a class in geology let alone geophysics, so it can be alarming. But, we really don’t know what causes the earths magnetic field, so a lot of the predictions are just scientific guesses. But, some people are looking for a pole reversal soon based on the fact they tend to occur at “somewhat “ predictable intervals. But, as stated on the wikipedia link somewhat submitted above:

“Because the magnetic field has never been observed to reverse by humans with instrumentation, and the mechanism of field generation is not well understood, it is difficult to say what the characteristics of the magnetic field might be leading up to such a reversal.

Some speculate that a greatly diminished magnetic field during a reversal period will expose the surface of the Earth to a substantial and potentially damaging increase in cosmic radiation. However, Homo erectus and their ancestors certainly survived many previous reversals.

There is no uncontested evidence that a magnetic field reversal has ever caused any biological extinctions. A possible explanation is that the solar wind may induce a sufficient magnetic field in the Earth’s ionosphere to shield the surface from energetic particles even in the absence of the Earth’s normal magnetic field.[11]”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal

Happy flying!


55 posted on 01/06/2011 5:40:53 PM PST by epithermal
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To: clee1

The magnetic north pole is slowly, constantly moving. Every year, a few airports are affected by this and must renumber their runways. And when the runways get renumbered, charts like ILS and GPS (as you pointed out in your post) get updated to include that new runway number.


56 posted on 01/06/2011 6:14:09 PM PST by CFIIIMEIATP737
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To: screaminsunshine
So they are merely re-labeling the runway? In your example, the new designation would be either "13L" or "25L"...

So, when the ATC assigns the runway with that designation, the heading is corrected -- right?

57 posted on 01/06/2011 9:49:46 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: screaminsunshine

I just picked up on the ten-degree convention. So the new designation in our example would be “18L”?


58 posted on 01/06/2011 9:59:37 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: oblomov

Langoliers.


59 posted on 01/06/2011 10:08:55 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: epithermal
“Since the 1970’s the Magnetic North Pole has accelerated from less than 10 to more than 30 miles per year”

Yes, but considering the size of the Earth that really doesn't make for a whole lot of annual change in variation unless you are fairly to the magnetic pole. This example of the compass rose on a nautical rose shoes the annual change in variation (the difference between true north and magnetic north) as 8 minutes-a degree every 8 years. A quick check of the chart for Tampa Bay shows the rate of change there was 5 minutes a year in 2006. Puget Sound's change was 11 minutes/per year, New York's was 2 minutes, San Francisco 8 minutes, Chesapeake Bay had no annual change measured in 2010.

60 posted on 01/06/2011 10:14:20 PM PST by GATOR NAVY ("The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen." -Dennis Prager)
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