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Posted on 02/20/2011 9:23:23 PM PST by Sonny M

Are you sick of highly paid teachers?

Teachers' hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or10 months a year! It's time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do - babysit!

We can get that for less than minimum wage.

That's right. Let's give them \$3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be \$19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch and plan-- that equals 6 1/2 hours).

Each parent should pay \$19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day...maybe 30? So that's \$19.50 x 30 = \$585.00 a day.

However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations.

LET'S SEE....

That's \$585 X 180= \$105,300 per year. (Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries).

What about those special education teachers and the ones with Master's degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage (\$7.75), and just to be fair, round it off to \$8.00 an hour. That would be \$8 X 6 1/2 hours X 30 children X 180 days = \$280,800 per year.

Wait a minute -- there's something wrong here! There sure is!

The average teacher's salary (nation wide) is \$50,000. \$50,000/180 days = \$277.77/per day/30 students=\$9.25/6.5 hours = \$1.42 per hour per student--a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!) WHAT A DEAL!!!!

Make a teacher smile; repost this to show appreciation for all educators.

TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; US: Wisconsin; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: propaganda; teachers; unions; wisconsin; wisconsinshowdown
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Heh he heh, oh I'm reposting, but I don't think this is going to make "teachers" smile.......lol
1 posted on 02/20/2011 9:23:30 PM PST by Sonny M

To: Sonny M

Nice rant, though it comes off as just a bit shy of jealousy..

2 posted on 02/20/2011 9:26:39 PM PST by Soothesayer9

To: Sonny M

“In the past decade, LAUSD officials spent \$3.5 million trying to fire just seven of the district’s 33,000 teachers for poor classroom performance — and only four were fired.” http://www.laweekly.com/2010-02-11/news/lausd-s-dance-of-the-lemons/

That’s how powerful the Teachers Union is in L.A.— a district where only 3% of students score proficient in math or English by the time they reach High School. A union that spent millions advocating for the defeat of prop 8.

Just try to fathom a private sector industry that could survive where their workers could only manage 3 out of every 100 widgets meeting standards. And that industry gave those incompetent workers a bullet-proof, lifetime promise of a job after only five years while churning out such low performance numbers. That’s on TOP of pensions and benefits that private sector workers will NEVER see.

Insert a standard “your probably a great teacher and not all districts are the same” disclaimer here. But this situation is more the rule than the exception. And it’s the future generation of Americans that’s being gypped out of a decent education. Whenever I hear a union teacher screaming that it’s “the kids” that budget cuts are ripping off, my eyes justifiably roll.

3 posted on 02/20/2011 9:27:20 PM PST by TruthHound ("He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." --Leonardo da Vinci)

To: Sonny M

I haven’t seen this in 15 or 20 years.

Long ago there was a strike in NY where a cousin was teaching, she brought these flyers to a holiday family dinner.
Back when the flyers where 15th generation photocopies from some old typewriter original long since lost.

Someone updated the numbers for inflation.

4 posted on 02/20/2011 9:30:31 PM PST by JerseyHighlander (p.s. The word 'bloggers' is not in the freerepublic spellcheck dictionary?!)

To: Sonny M
we've been fed a steady stream of "underpaid" teachers for 30 yrs now...its been a great union success...

I question what teachers make because they do only work a partial year...they do only have simple degrees compared to engineering,pre med,etc..they do make plenty of money per hour and they do have the most luxurious benifits with defined pensions.....

plenty of college educated people work in dept stores,restaurants, etc because they can't find work or getting tips at a restaurand beats working in their degree area....

5 posted on 02/20/2011 9:31:32 PM PST by cherry

To: Sonny M

Tendentious nonsense is tendentious.

6 posted on 02/20/2011 9:32:17 PM PST by rogue yam

To: Sonny M

Reminds me of this old joke:

So you want a day off?

So you want a day off. Let’s take a look at what you are asking for.

There are 365 days per year available for work.

There are 52 weeks per year in which you already have 2 days off per week, leaving 261 days available for work.

Since you spend 16 hours each day away fron work, you have used up 170 days, leaving only 91 days available.

You spend 30 minutes each day on coffee break which counts for 23 days each year, leaving only 68 days available.

With a 1 hour lunch each day, you used up another 46 days, leaving only 22 days available for work.

You normally spend 2 days per year on sick leave.

This leaves you only 20 days per year available for work.

We are off 5 holidays per year, so your available working time is down to 15 days.

We generously give 14 days vacation per year which leaves only 1 day available for work.

There’s no way I’ll let you take that day off!

Somewhere they are messing with the math, I just don’t feel like looking for it tonight.

7 posted on 02/20/2011 9:35:20 PM PST by aflaak

To: Sonny M
That's right. Let's give them \$3.00 an hour

If they're doing their job poorly, any amount is too much. In the private sector, if you do your job poorly there's not a discussion about your pay, you're fired.

8 posted on 02/20/2011 9:38:11 PM PST by Prokopton

To: Sonny M
This little rant completely ignores the problem being addressed in Wisconsin. Milwaukee teachers make approximately \$55,000 per year in salary on average, but they earn an additional \$40,000 plus in health and retirement benefits annually.

The public sector unions have turned greedy beyond reason, and the public has had enough. If the teachers are upset about their compensation, perhaps they should seek other employment.

9 posted on 02/20/2011 9:44:40 PM PST by TonyInOhio ( Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils.)

To: Sonny M

Education is no longer a business to benefit the children. That ship sailed about the time the unions discovered the school house.

I say it would be more effective for the district to purchase houses in its own district, and rent them for \$1.00 per school year to teachers. The shop classes can be used to perform basic maintenance. More advanced maintenance performed by the district custodians.

Pay a \$5.00 per teaching hour rate, with up to another \$5.00 per hour bonus based on the teacher’s performance, as measured by standardized tests and parent evaluations of the classroom experience.

By parent evals, I mean ratings given by adequately educated parents who observe several classes in a given year. Put the parent back in charge, but make it the involved parents who have the voice.

By performance, I mean the performance of the class. Make a sliding scale, with allowances for the “normal distribution curve” in student intelligence and ability. For new teachers, assume a moderately-below-average performance, and give a \$2.00/hr bonus. That gives a \$3.00 up-side, and a \$2.00 down-side.

If a teacher improves year-over-year, give a sliding scale increase. If the teacher improves as compared to the rest of the same grade in the state, give a higher increase, even if their performance is the same as their previous year’s performance. Use statistical analysis to determine each year’s change.

Weight the top performing students higher than the lowest. If a teacher inspired 3 top students to outperform the rest of the state by 150%, and they have 3 students that under perform by 150%, the students that excel should carry more weight than those that lag.

But the teacher must be able to discipline in their class. Therefore, children who behave problematically will either be appropriately disciplined, or they will be expelled (to therefore become the parent’s problems.

Teachers aren’t over paid as a profession. They grossly under perform. Fix the schools by offering those who would truly teach a chance to prosper. Shed teachers who do not perform quickly, to spare our youth the trauma of piss poor teachers.

Sorry for the rant, but it was on my mind.

10 posted on 02/20/2011 9:46:32 PM PST by MortMan (What disease did cured ham used to have?)

To: Sonny M
The problem with this is they are hired to teach. So you can eliminate the “\$105,300 per year” for baby sitting and just focus on the teaching.

Wait, I don't see any figures for teaching.....Hmmmmm, zero dollars for teaching, that is even a better deal than the “\$1.42 per hour per student” babysitting fee.

Now, if the educational system consisted of all private schools, and their employment was based on merit and ability...the majority of them would be without a JOB!

So, save the babysitting cost......and home school. Oh, and if those in your neighborhood can't teach their own kids, or don't have the time, you could make a living off of this teaching AND charging babysitting fees.

What a sweet job this would be....walking into the classroom to teach....students pointing out that I still have my slippers on.

11 posted on 02/20/2011 9:46:59 PM PST by Puckster

To: Sonny M
The average teacher's salary (nation wide) is \$50,000. \$50,000/180 days = \$277.77/per day/30 students=\$9.25/6.5 hours = \$1.42 per hour per student--a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!) WHAT A DEAL!!!!

Well, when you figure the average benefits (health insurance/pension) at an additional \$40K a year, it's \$500 a day. A private sector employee working 250 days (normal yearly average) at \$500 a day, would be pulling over \$10.4K per month or \$125K annually. Even without bennies, not too shabby and way, way above the national average for total household income, let alone individual income. I own a business, work over 300 days a year and make less than \$75K. Out of that, I pay over \$10K in health insurance with a high deductible and have to contribute to my own IRA. My continued income is 'performance' based. Cry me a river.

12 posted on 02/20/2011 9:57:49 PM PST by Right Brother

To: Right Brother

“Cry me a river”

Obviously I have never met you..........But, I like you already.

13 posted on 02/20/2011 10:03:20 PM PST by Puckster

To: Sonny M

Teachers here work 181 days per year [not including school trips, sabbaticals, free periods, etc]. That’s roughly six months a year, not 9, 10 or 11.

14 posted on 02/20/2011 10:08:08 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)

To: Puckster

Thanks. : )

15 posted on 02/20/2011 10:08:52 PM PST by Right Brother

To: Sonny M

I had a (very)few teachers who should have been paid \$100,000 a year. I also had some that weren’t worth \$3 an hour.

16 posted on 02/20/2011 10:10:49 PM PST by Infralutheran

To: Sonny M
Are you sick of highly paid teachers?

No. I'm sick of the disconnect between price-fixed compensations and the notions of a free market economy where an individual's skills/assets determine the market value of their labor. In every other sector of the economy price-fixing is frowned upon, even illegal. But "organized labor" gets a pass because its socialist roots. That's what I'm sick of. A teacher should command as good a salary as their professional talents dictate as individuals.
17 posted on 02/20/2011 10:10:53 PM PST by SpaceBar

To: Sonny M

It’s NOT just the teachers....there’s a WHOLE BUREAUCRACY that’s been created to justify itself and their hefty salaries plus benefits.....

18 posted on 02/20/2011 10:18:39 PM PST by goodnesswins (I'm not a great man....I just believe in great ideas! Ronald Reagan)

To: PzLdr
Teachers here work 181 days per year [not including school trips, sabbaticals, free periods, etc]. That’s roughly six months a year, not 9, 10 or 11.

FYI: 181 days / 5 days per work-week = 36.2 work-weeks.

19 posted on 02/20/2011 10:19:56 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)

To: Sonny M

20 posted on 02/20/2011 10:23:10 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)