Posted on 09/25/2011 1:57:43 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
I always love the way candidates who live nowhere near a border state can prance out and attack as “unrealistic” somebody who has been governor of the biggest border state of all. He’s also dealing with the immigration problems there in a way that seems to have the support of the people of Texas, since out of 181 legislators, only 4 voted against this plan.
I think he should have defended it better, but he probably was unprepared for the “spittle flying,” hatred-filled attacks over a question of state policy.
Some poster here said Perry threw himself under the bus. It seems to me that The United States of America has thrown TEXAS under the bus.
Our country, as Constitutionally required of the federal government, has not protected our borders. Our country has allowed illegal immigrants into our state, our cities, our towns. Not THEIRS, but ours.
We have had to take our own state money, OUR state money, and put towards doing federal government work to do as much as we can, taking money from our own state’s budget to lessen the damage our country has permitted to happen to us. Has any other state taken money out of THEIR state budget to put towards our Texas border security? No, they should not have had to, but neither should we. But we did. We took money we could have used for what we SHOULD have used it for in our state to at least do something to protect ourselves since our country would not do it.
Perhaps we would have benefited from more than what we could do ourselves, but then again, it wasn’t even our Constitutional job to begin with. It was our country who was supposed to protect us to begin with. It DIDN’T.
Our country has not given Texas any legal right to deport, even though our country has FORCED all these illegal immigrants upon us, and now we are forced to keep them. Put ‘em on the streets to create crime in our Texas cities and towns? Well, what do you expect? We are not allowed by law to deport them!
Oh, but it OUR streets you all will put them out on. Our TEXAS streets where our TEXAS children, the legal ones I’m talking about, won’t be free to go outside our home doors because of those illegal immigrants YOU GAVE US which you now tell us to throw out on the streets here in Texas. Oh, did I tell you yet WE CAN NOT DEPORT. WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO. Oh, I did tell you. Perhaps you just forgot... AGAIN.
So we have them here, among us, and you know what... we would like to have a safe life here too in Texas. We don’t want them on our streets with nothing but cause to commit crimes upon Texans.
It would then seem like the only recourse we have is to round them all up and put them in our jails, and take care of them in our jails (and in all the other jails we’ll have to build now for all those millions of illegals you let in). Thanks alot, dear country. How much tax money will THAT cost us then? Does our country even CARE we have to do that? Do they CARE our country has thrown us under the bus and then made it worse by making us use tax-payer dollars of our own to put them in our jails and prisons?
Thanks a lot people.
Thanks a WHOLE lot for throwing Texas under YOUR bus and THEN chastising and punishing us because we are trying to do the best we could while you all drove all over us with your bus over and over and over again.
Next time, just protect us, please. You haven’t done so yet.
At 18, most college students are adults, These Mexican national student should apply like every other international student. Perry is a turkey, a burnt charred turkey.
A sheriff in most counties can deputize citizens. That’s how you can do a mass deportation. The legally residing, law abiding citizens can be requested to help find, document, and deport the illegals. It would be very cost effective to use volunteers.
Once it’s started in earnest, the rest will self deport. Build the Israeli style border wall behind them and tell them, if we want you, we will call you.
“If they were brought there by parents who were illegal—how is that the child’s fault? Is Romney ready to charge those children with crimes? Mass deportations? Even Romney has not pledged to go that far.”
Um...if a man steals, should we allow him to keep the money if he promises to spend it on his kids?
And no, Romney isn’t willing to deport illegals - but I am. Of course, according to Perry, that is because I’m a hate-filled Mexiphobic bigot...
and that's part of the reason real conservatives aren't thrilled with him either. Rick Perry sees a path to citizenship for illegals so I don't see a path to the republican nomination for him. call me heartless.
U.S. Constitution: Fifth Amendment
Procedural Due Process
Aliens: Entry and Deportation .—To aliens who have never been naturalized or acquired any domicile or residence in the United States, the decision of an executive or administrative officer, acting within powers expressly conferred by Congress, with regard to whether or not they shall be permitted to enter the country, is due process of law. 43 Since the status of a resident alien returning from abroad is equivalent to that of an entering alien, his exclusion by the Attorney General without a hearing, on the basis of secret, undisclosed information, also is deemed consistent with due process. 44 The complete authority of Congress in the matter of admission of aliens justifies delegation of power to executive officers to enforce the exclusion of aliens afflicted with contagious diseases by imposing upon the owner of the vessel bringing any such alien into the country a money penalty, collectible before and as a condition of the grant of clearance. 45 If the person seeking admission claims American citizenship, the decision of the Secretary of Labor may be made final, but it must be made after a fair hearing, however summary, and must find adequate support in the evidence. A decision based upon a record from which relevant and probative evidence has been omitted is not a fair hearing. 46 Where the statute made the decision of an immigration inspector final unless an appeal was taken to the Secretary of the Treasury, a person who failed to take such an appeal did not, by an allegation of citizenship, acquire a right to a judicial hearing on habeas corpus. 47
Deportation proceedings are not criminal prosecutions within the meaning of the Bill of Rights. 48 The authority to deport is drawn from the power of Congress to regulate the entrance of aliens and impose conditions upon their continued liberty to reside within the United States. Findings of fact reached by executive officers after a fair, though summary deportation hearing may be made conclusive. 49 In Wong Yang Sung v. McGrath, 50 however, the Court intimated that a hearing before a tribunal which did not meet the standards of impartiality embodied in the Administrative Procedure Act 51 might not satisfy the requirements of due process of law. To avoid such constitutional doubts, the Court construed the law to disqualify immigration inspectors as presiding officers in deportation proceedings. Except in time of war, deportation without a fair hearing or on charges unsupported by any evidence is a de nial of due process which may be corrected on habeas corpus. 52 In contrast with the decision in United States v. Ju Toy 53 that a person seeking entrance to the United States was not entitled to a judicial hearing on his claim of citizenship, a person arrested and held for deportation is entitled to a day in court if he denies that he is an alien. 54 A closely divided Court has ruled that in time of war the deportation of an enemy alien may be ordered summarily by executive action; due process of law does not require the courts to determine the sufficiency of any hearing which is gratuitously afforded to the alien. 55
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment05/12.html
Perry, you need to show you understand my view without calling me heartless. Voice some strong ideas you support. Tell me what views I have which are not heartless.
We have a set of rules set in place for a foreigner to become an American citizen. Millions through history have followed these rules to become legal citizens and have paid the price in time and effort to do so. They are proud citizens and assimilate into our society and obey the laws, language and customs of their new country. They have sacrificed to do so.
Now, we have criminals who say “to hell with law...who needs it.” The vermin come across our border like a flow of lemmings falling over a cliff. Milk and honey (crime and welfare) await for their picking once here. They bring their families and children with them and once here breed and produce more children like “spitting out wet watermelon seeds.” Free of cost of course.
Now, they (along with Politicians) want to go ahead of the line in the legal immigration process and bypass the need to actually comply with the immigration laws so that they can get the “milk and honey” without the fear of being deported.
Law is Law! It does not matter what age you are for the law applies to ALL regardless as to age. When they illegally crossed the border, both parents and children broke the law and need to pay the consequences. In many cases, the “children” were old enough to know damn well what they were doing.
Furthermore, how the hell did these “children” get into school without a Social Security number? Strange huh? Well, they were certainly breaking the law to get one!
How about Mommy and Daddy (if they knew who he was?) How the hell did they go to public school and blindly turn an eye to the fact that it was very apparent that the child and parents could barely speak English or none at all?
We must package up the whole illegal family and ship them back to Mexico (or where ever they came from) and give them the opportunity to apply LEGALLY for citizenship in our country like millions of law abiding, tax paying, and patriotic (new) Americans before them. No cutting in line.
This coddling of illegals without reprisals is killing our American heritage and society. We are watching another invasion of our country by illegal (and legal) Moslems (yes, that’s the original spelling) and their total disrespect of our culture and ways.
The United States is dying from a cancer that is eating it from the inside out...and that cancer is called illegal immigration and political immigration.
I will be dead and gone when it dies but it will surely die, for the medicine of law has been snatched from it’s citizens by Politically Correct government and politicans, and without it can’t be cured.
Rick Perry is one of those politicians who withholds that medicine along with others. He thinks with his heart...not his head.
Yesterday, I removed the bumpers stickers from my vehicles that supported Perry. They stated “Perry 2012 Be proud to be American Again.” I thought we had the one that would restore the American way but it was blatantly apparent that he was trolling for the Mexican vote all along and worse yet, stood up spoke his piece for illegals to get a piece of the American pie without any fear of being deported or being punished for breaking the law. That did it! As one old crusty lady politician in Texas once said of George Bush, “stick a fork in him, he’s done.”
Perry is done!
You make very good points which I hope Rick Perry or someone from his staff consulting Rick Perry understands.
Until the govt quits rewarding illegal behavior we will have no end to it.
There is nothing to set straight and there is nothing wrong with deporting illegals, they have broken the law. There I am still a heartless american.
Why is it every progressive gives us the false choice of the current out of control border OR mass deportations. Enforce the employment laws on the books, end sanctuary cities, end benefits other than basic medical (i.e. first aid) and you’ll achieve SELF DEPORTATION. Couple that with real security and in a generation you’ll have a viable country again. No more pressing #1 for English.
Fact: “Kids” going to college are adults.
Fact: Unless born here, children of illegal aliens are illegal aliens.
Fact: Anybody born in the US is a US citizen, so only their state residency determines tuition rates.
Fact: Many Mexican families send their 13-15 year old kids to live with aunts, uncles, brother, sister, or cousins in the US so they can get into a US high school and then into college.
Fact: Once they are old enough to go to college, they are old enough to be deported and go back home to wherever they were born.
One more...
Fact: opposing in-state college tuition discounts for adult illegal aliens is not ‘heartless’, its common sense, regardless of how many lawyers voted for it.
I’m totally disgusted with Perry’s view on illegals. Typical liberal mentality that when people break the law there shouldn’t be consequences. How much does it cost the state of Texas to tutor kids on English? What is Texas paying for free or reduced breakfast, lunch and dinners for these kids? Now in-state tuition? This argument of giving illegals in-state tuition is bogus unless you want to offer it to American children of other states. After all, you could say that it isn’t their fault their parents aren’t living in Texas. This is what globalization is all about and Perry better wake up and smell the coffee.
That being said, I’d vote for Perry. I would even vote for Romney at this point. But if I could get a Herman Cain that would be even better.
What a truck load of green wet BS.
Good lord, they just keep digging the hole deeper.
I only wish FedGov™ treated Illegal Aliens as badly as they treat tax “cheaters”.
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