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Goodbye, Greece
National Review ^ | 11/2/11

Posted on 11/02/2011 3:12:14 AM PDT by markomalley

How does one say “Goodnight, Irene” in Greek? Or “Show Me the Way to Go Home”? Or, if neither of those classic festivity-enders does the trick, “Hit the Road, Jack”? In any case, the message needs to be sent: The party is over, and it is time for Greece to be shown the door, if the Greeks cannot find it themselves, and exit the eurozone.

A Greek default appears to be imminent. The question is whether it is to be an orderly default or a chaotic one. At the moment, the odds are about even between those two possibilities.

Prime Minister George Papandreou has called a parliamentary vote of confidence and a national referendum on the European bailout conditions to be imposed on Greece. Those conditions include bondholders’ taking a 50 percent haircut on Greek liabilities while the Greek government promises to enforce austerity measures to reduce spending and return the country’s debt-to-GDP ratio to a more manageable level (though getting Greek debt down to the level legally required by the Treaty of Maastricht is not in the works, a fact that should put the European project in perspective). Athens has made such promises before. Greek unemployment remains high, its economy a shambles. The recent recession has made things worse than they otherwise would have been.

The European Union being the European Union, it had been assumed that these conditions simply would be imposed by Brussels, without the Greek people’s having a say. The vote threatens to throw a monkey wrench into European designs, and markets tanked on the news. And what would happen if the Greek electorate rejected Brussels’s agenda? It is far from impossible that Brussels and Athens would simply collaborate to impose the terms in the teeth of democratic rejection. The Greeks should keep in mind the experience of those national electorates that rejected membership in the European Union only to have the same referendum voted on again and again until Brussels got its way.

Unhappily, the Europeans aren’t much in funds these days, which has them appealing to China for assistance in their bailout scheme. Which is to say, not only would the deal make Athens entirely subordinate to Brussels, it would make Athens entirely subordinate to a Brussels that is partly subordinate to Beijing. That may be too high a price even for the pension-loving, debt-ridden, bailout-begging Greeks to pay.

And we would not blame them. Membership in the European Union as currently constituted is plainly incompatible with national sovereignty. In fact, the European project has quickly proved to be not only incompatible with national sovereignty but positively hostile toward it, its consolidation of transnational power and its running rough-shod over ancient nation-states exhibiting a degree of vigor and energy shocking even to the most suspicious Euro-skeptics. This incompatibility has come to a head now over fiscal questions, but it might have come to a head as easily over questions of national defense or immigration — questions in which the interests of a France or a Finland are very different from those of a Bulgaria or a Cyprus, but which in any case will be decided in accord with no country’s national interest but in accord with the interests of the bureaucratic elite in Brussels.

There is very little reason for Greece, Spain, and Portugal to share a single monetary policy with Germany and France — their public finances, labor conditions, balance of trade, and other economic fundamentals are radically different, and cannot be brought into harmony without something approaching a soft dictatorship. The business cycles of the members of the European Union are not coordinated, and neither are their economic interests. Less competitive nations such as Greece suffer particularly from sharing a currency with highly productive nations such as Germany, because it takes away the option of using currency depreciation to make one’s exports more attractive on world markets. (Germany, a strong exporter, has benefited from this arrangement.) There is some wisdom in human traditions, and it turns out that the Germans and the Greek have separate countries for a reason — one of them being that they are separate peoples.

The theory of Europe’s Economic and Monetary Union (EMU) is that a borderless environment with a single currency would minimize economic friction and produce vast economies of scale, making Europe’s economy more competitive. Europe had an example in the United States, roughly comparable in size and population but with a much more dynamic economy, especially when it comes to the work force. There are gains to be had, unquestionably, but there are always tradeoffs, and in this case they produce a net loss for much of Europe. This was a gross miscalculation on the part of the European centralizers, who neglected to account for the fact that important, fundamental cultural differences — including language, family habits, and religion — mean that a Bulgarian factory worker or a Latvian financial manager cannot simply relocate to London or Paris the way an American worker can move from anywhere in the country to Houston or New York with relative ease. The formal, legal barriers to European integration are not the only barriers, nor even the most important. As it turns out, there are not many Europeans in Europe, which is mostly populated by French, Germans, Swiss, Italians, Greeks, Poles, etc. Wishful thinking will not make it otherwise.

Such realities can only be ignored for so long. The appetite of the Greek people for further austerity measures is limited, as is the appetite of the German people for expending their own hard-earned capital to prop up their careless, spendthrift neighbors. Nobody in Europe has much appetite for continued economic chaos. The best outcome and less likely outcome would be to have the economically stable northern European countries break away to form their own union. The second-best and more likely outcome is for Greece to leave the eurozone, voluntarily or involuntarily. Either scenario would probably entail a default and would bring about massive economic disruption, and not just for the Europeans. But the alternative is a prolonged, slow-motion crisis and the entrenching of the one-size-fits-all, central-planning approach from Brussels that is a very large part of the present problem and no part of its solution.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Germany
KEYWORDS: angelamerkel; cyprus; emmanuelmacron; erdogan; europeanunion; france; germany; greece; hamiaksoy; islamofascism; islamofascists; kastellorizo; kurdistan; michaelrubin; nato; receptayyiperdogan; turkey

1 posted on 11/02/2011 3:12:15 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

It is an absurd world when the economy of Greece can threaten the stability of us all.


2 posted on 11/02/2011 4:50:47 AM PDT by Melchior
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To: markomalley
Meanwhile....

EU blocks next tranche of aid for Greece

3 posted on 11/02/2011 4:53:13 AM PDT by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: markomalley

What does Greece produce? What are their natural resources? What is their economy built on? Greece was apparently listed number 22 in the world for standard of living in 2010, ahead of Austria and the UK. I would think standard of living has to be linked somehow to GDP and total national productivity. Having the government pay somehow for a higher standard of living than a nation can afford might work for awhile, but ultimately you have to balance the checkbook.


4 posted on 11/02/2011 5:08:48 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

“What does Greece produce?”

Olives and debt


5 posted on 11/02/2011 6:15:50 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: chuckee

and a tourist destination. I’d go back in a minute if I could...on the islands, that is!


6 posted on 11/02/2011 6:46:19 AM PDT by MadelineZapeezda (Tagline for rent: Inquire within!)
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To: MadelineZapeezda

I’vew got an Aussie buddy who goes yearly to Kastellorizo - judging by the pics he sends, it’s a paradise.


7 posted on 11/02/2011 6:55:35 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Obama Voters: Jose Baez wants YOU for his next jury pool.......)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
"What does Greece produce?"

I was going to make a point about what the article itself, and many other articles on the PIIGS have missed, but your question presents a more specific opportunity.

The article states: "Less competitive nations such as Greece suffer particularly from sharing a currency with highly productive nations such as Germany, because it takes away the option of using currency depreciation to make one’s exports more attractive on world markets.

This is true, but consider that much of the economy of the PIIGS, particularly Italy, Spain and Greece, is based on tourism. The "capital investment" for Italy's major tourist economy is the beauty, climate and ancient structures of the country, not primarily machinery as in Germany. Tourists are not an export, so just as "currency depreciation" ("depreciation" from a German economic perspective) makes one's exports more attractive for Germany, France and other more industrial countries, the Euro is "currency appreciation" from the PIIGS perspective, thus making their countries less attractive to tourism. If Italy still had the Lira, the Lira-USD rate would no doubt spur greater tourism and higher employment and revenue for Italy (as would be the case with other tourist oriented PIIGS.

I often wonder why Italy, for instance, doesn't make a greater issue of this problem. My best conclusion is that the Italian politicians from the industrial north, i.e. Milan, Turin are in control. (If so, no wonder Italy is having north-south issues.)

8 posted on 11/02/2011 8:45:00 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

There is oil in the mediteranian.

They do still have a shipping power but the greek owners do not use greek flags or yards.

they also have oil refineries which other countries do not want.

This is not really about Greece, this is about Germany controlling the EU.

The EU only matters to the USA because we trade with them for about 20% of our trade.

Greece does not control, the EU is upset that Greece was unwilling to be a sacrificial lamb to protect everyone else.


9 posted on 11/02/2011 9:22:26 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: markomalley
The AP today says someone is going to meet somewhere about Greece and we are in a Recovery brought on by our glorious dear leader Obama. That makes me feel good because except for Faux News the press never lies so I immediately called my Broker screaming “Buy, Buy, Buy”

Yeah, and I am a Chinese Jet Pilot

10 posted on 11/02/2011 10:04:33 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: LZ_Bayonet

Excellent points. The difference in cost between visiting some countries now vs. back before the EU is profound. I couldn’t believe just how big a difference. This definitely hurts countries with high tourism, and probably also increases the costs of their exports.


11 posted on 11/02/2011 10:45:22 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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