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THE REAL PROBLEM WITH OBAMACARE…
Powerline ^ | November 23,2011 | JOHN HINDERAKER

Posted on 11/25/2011 2:45:21 PM PST by Hojczyk

…is not that it will cost too much, or even that it will worsen our medical care, although both of those things are true. The real problem with socialized medicine–the eventual establishment of which is the purpose of Obamacare, according to Barack Obama–is that it will destroy our freedom. Mark Steyn has written that government medicine alters forever the relationship between state and citizen: once you are dependent on the government for your health care, you are no longer a freeborn citizen. You are the subject of an all-powerful state.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: heathcar; medicine; obama; obamacarre; slavery; socialized

1 posted on 11/25/2011 2:45:22 PM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

So true; I regret that our little Republican primary voters can’t understand this important distinction. If so, they would repudiate most of their primary choices in 2012.


2 posted on 11/25/2011 2:47:54 PM PST by Theodore R. (Forget the others: It's Santorum's turn, articulate, passionate, less baggage.)
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To: Hojczyk

Certainly invites all manner of abuses if, in effect, the only doctor’s office is the state.


3 posted on 11/25/2011 2:47:57 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: Hojczyk

Anyone think the left would use their healthcare power to, say, give organ transplants to only Democrat voters?


4 posted on 11/25/2011 2:49:55 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: Hojczyk

The worst part of 0bamacare is it is a freedom taking unconstitutional piece of overpriced crap!


5 posted on 11/25/2011 2:49:55 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Certainly invites all manner of abuses if, in effect, the only doctor’s office is the state.”

I’ve read that individuals in countries with socialized medicine are reluctant to make public comments about the system for fear that their future medial care will be refused. There are provisions in Obamacare that allow for the government through its various agencies to blackball individuals by name without citing cause.


6 posted on 11/25/2011 2:54:02 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Hojczyk
I think that the real problem with Obamacare is that it will lead to the destruction of the medical profession, as dispensed by human physicians. This will happen as surely as morning follows night.

The takeover of medical care by robots is inevitable anyway, thanks to our legal system. Socializing medicine just speeds up the process.

Doctors may not realize this, but people who understand technology and the scaling laws of Moore and Metcalfe know otherwise.

7 posted on 11/25/2011 2:55:16 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: ez

Cass Sunstein thinks that health care should be rationed based on the patient’s “usefullness” to society.


8 posted on 11/25/2011 2:55:29 PM PST by MtnClimber ( People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them - Eric Hoffer)
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To: ez

Absolute not! (sarc)


9 posted on 11/25/2011 2:58:20 PM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: Theodore R.
I hate to break this to you . . . but despite all the political posturing in 2010 when this idiocy known as Obamacare was passed, the Republican Party is 100% on board with most of its provisions. I said that at the time and got a lot of ridicule for it here on FreeRepublic, but history is going to prove me right on this.

Different groups with their own political agendas may have their own motives for supporting Obamacare, but the basic purpose of it is to lay the foundation for severing the link between employment and medical insurance -- thereby eliminating an enormous cost item from the expense ledgers of major U.S. employers. The "beauty" of it, from their perspective, is that it will eventually push all Americans into a government-run system where health care would be considered substandard (and maybe even criminal) by our current standards, and yet nobody would be able to do anything about it because "that's just the way the system works."

10 posted on 11/25/2011 3:06:17 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Hojczyk

The sad truth is that most contemporary Americans could not care less about liberty and being freeborn citizens. After nearly 80 years of the welfare state their motto is “Ask not what you can do for your country but what your country can do for you.”


11 posted on 11/25/2011 3:16:04 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: Theodore R.

Yes the state will bring you into this world, if they choose and will put an end to you when you become to costly.


12 posted on 11/25/2011 3:17:17 PM PST by woodenickel
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To: Alberta's Child
I hate to break this to you . . . but despite all the political posturing in 2010 when this idiocy known as Obamacare was passed, the Republican Party is 100% on board with most of its provisions. I said that at the time and got a lot of ridicule for it here on FreeRepublic, but history is going to prove me right on this.

You were probably ridiculed because if you feel that way, you are wasting your time reading and posting about it if it is "game over".

13 posted on 11/25/2011 3:55:58 PM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Our doctor of 20 years dropped us this week-no longer accepting Medicare patients. We have four others in our area to chose from (maybe,unless they follow suite)If they won’t take us on as patients,we’ll have to drive into Houston to see a primary care doctor..Thank you Obamacare.


14 posted on 11/25/2011 3:57:36 PM PST by Disgusted in Texas
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To: Alberta's Child
I said that at the time and got a lot of ridicule for it here on FreeRepublic, but history is going to prove me right on this. ...the basic purpose of it is to lay the foundation for severing the link between employment and medical insurance -- thereby eliminating an enormous cost item from the expense ledgers of major U.S. employers.

It won't reduce costs for employers. Health insurance along with 401K and other forms of compensation are ways for a company to "pay" an employee without having the employees tax burden climb. Without these "under the table" ways of increasing the compensation for employees, business will have to pay their employees more money. It's a game of three card monty. If you don't get compensation one way, you'll get it another.

15 posted on 11/25/2011 4:14:13 PM PST by SunTzuWu
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