Posted on 03/18/2012 6:59:01 AM PDT by Kaslin
1 Timothy 2:12-15 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve; 14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. 15 Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.
Not very popular today, but there it is in black and white and Paul even gives the reason behind it; because women are more susceptible to deception than men are.
It is there, but its easy to “not see” the speed limit when you want to speed.
The problem with RCs, is that Scripture is not the supreme authority, nor can is provide doctrinal certitude, but the self-proclaimed assuredly infallible magisterium is (sola ecclessia) presumes that position, although their interpretation of what is infallible and what it means is not assuredly infallible, nor is the sola scripturists interpretation of Scripture.
But rather than the church establishing what Scripture consists of by decree (which Rome did not infallibly, indisputable do until the year Luther died), as helpful as they can be, writings became established as being Divine, like as men of God became established as being such, by their Heavenly qualities and attestation, and conformity to established truth. To the glory of God. “For the kingdom of God is not in word [self-proclamation], but in power. “ (1 Corinthians 4:20)
Let me add a different thought to the discussion. The writer is making a fundamental error in thinking that the demise of Biblical Christianity among the European Protestant churches is a decline in Biblical Christianity. However, Evangelical Christians are growing in number throughout Asia, Africa and in Central and South America. Also, as the European Protestant Churches have declined in America we have seen Biblically centered non-denominational and Pentecostal churches growing.
True, but i think the old time Prots which saw revival would weep at the condition of the modern temple-even the evangelical one. We have lost much.
But have we?
I see the same historical pattern being repeated. Prior to the Reformation we saw the development of a hierarchy, using the power of the State to impose it's will. During this period there were Christians who refused to be a part of the State church, but they were limited in number, until Bibles became easily accessible. However, once Bibles became easy to obtain the deviance of the State church from clear Scriptural teaching became obvious and Christians left that church. Now instead of Christians fleeing a State imposed religious system they are fleeing churches that are clearly not in step with Scripture.
So who is left behind in this process? I think it is those who place to great an affection for an institution, or family tradition. The Christians are reading their Bibles and see how their church has deviated from truth and are leaving. It seems to me it's a long process that keeps being repeated. For me I don't worry to much about these old church bodies. They had the truth and in their arrogance decided they knew better.
Thank you metmom, and others, I wasn’t familiar with this verse.
I just left a very large Southern Baptist church that will not ordain women, but its committees have been taken over by women, to the point that the deacon ministry has been relegated to disbursing benevolence funds.
At its 25 anniversary, one of the founding members cheerfully stated that they wanted a “moderate” Southern Baptist church in the local area. Well, they succeeded.
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