Sen. Rand Paul Renews Fight Over Indefinite Detention of US Citizens

The Hill ^ | Nov. 25, 2012 | Jeremy Herb

[VitacoreVision]

Sen. Rand Paul renews fight over indefinite detention of US citizens


The Hill
Nov. 25, 2012


Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is bringing a new — and more aggressive — approach to a longstanding debate over the Defense authorization bill, threatening to filibuster the bill to get a vote on his amendment limiting indefinite detention.

Paul’s amendment takes a new tack to curb the military’s ability to indefinitely detain U.S. citizens suspected of terrorism by affirming they have the right to a speedy trial by jury under the Sixth Amendment.

His push to change the indefinite detention laws for U.S. citizens follows a contentious fight last year where liberal Senate Democrats waged an unsuccessful attempt to scale back the detention laws before an 11th-hour, watered-down compromise was ultimately reached.

Paul’s filibuster threat could throw into flux what’s already been a long-winding road to the floor for the Defense authorization bill, which Armed Services Committee leaders have been clamoring to get on the floor since it passed out of committee in May.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said last week that he would move to the Defense bill after the Thanksgiving holiday, and would allow for an open amendment process with a limited number of amendments managed by Senate Armed Services Chairman Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and ranking member John McCain (R-Ariz.).

The day after Reid said the Senate would move to the defense bill, however, Paul put a hold on the legislation, a move Paul took because there was not an agreement to vote on his amendment, according to his office.
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[GlockThe Vote]

Another thing Romney completely screwed up on.

[Catsrus]

Rand Paul is looking forward to 2016. I think I read that he is interested in the POTUS position. So, he’s going to make a few headlines, stir some pots and get some national attention.

[pepsionice]

Personally, if you can’t offer a court opportunity within six months of arrest, the authorities ought to be paying you $500 a day from that point on...if you are a US citizen.

[montag813]

Rand Paul is looking forward to 2016. I think I read that he is interested in the POTUS position. So, he’s going to make a few headlines, stir some pots and get some national attention.

Unfortunately he has very dangerous positions on illegal alien amnesty. And despite his posturing, one must wonder what he really thinks of Israel given his father's horrific views.

[Venturer]

Rand Paul may indeed be doing what you say.

“make a few headlines, stir some pots and get some national attention”

But in this he is right.

Also-—at least he is saying SOMEthing.

The rest are sitting on their ass scared to death and wanting to give America to the illegals.
Where are the rest of th Republicans, they ALL should be screaming like raped apes.
Instead Baby Boehner is making deals, and the rest of the Republican Senate have grown mute.

[Sherman Logan]

Personally, if you can’t offer a court opportunity within six months of arrest, the authorities ought to be paying you $500 a day from that point on...if you are a US citizen.

6th Amendment: "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."

Not a word even implying that this applies only to US citizens.

[Morpheus2009]

Rand Paul needs to answer serious questions to earn a lot of Conservatives’ approval. They are these:

1) Is Israel a tolerant nation deserving of America’s support?
2) Is Hamas morally equivalent to Israel?
3) How should we prosecute terrorism?

Hopefully, he doesn’t have all the same answers as his father, but at the same time, he had better have an answer better than Obama’s on Israel, to simply call Hamas the terrorist scum that they are.

[VitacoreVision]

Rand Paul's Senate website says he's against amnesty.

http://www.paul.senate.gov/?p=issue&id=12

Immigration

I do not support amnesty, I support legal immigration and recognize that the country has been enriched by those who seek the freedom to make a life for themselves. However, millions of illegal immigrants are crossing our border without our knowledge and causing a clear threat to our national security. I want to work in the Senate to secure our border immediately. In addition, I support the creation of a border fence and increased border patrol capabilities.

Immigrants should meet the current requirements, which should be enforced and updated. I realize that subsidizing something creates more of it, and do not think the taxpayer should be forced to pay for welfare, medical care and other expenses for illegal immigrants. Once the subsidies for illegal immigration are removed, the problem will likely become far less common.

I support local solutions to illegal immigration as protected by the 10th amendment. I support making English the official language of all documents and contracts.

Millions crossing our border without our knowledge constitutes a clear threat to our nation's security. Instead of closing military bases at home and renting space in Europe, I am open to the construction of bases to protect our border.

[Ed Story]

The law is in direct violation of the Constitution and as such the people of this nation must bar its enforcement at every opportunity, even to the use of arms. Those who initiated this abomination and those who voted for it must be removed from office by whatever means necessary, for if they are not they will continue their tyranny, justifying such with their false cries of public safety.

[Sola Veritas]

Rand Paul has issues he is right on occasionally. Just as a broken clock in right twice every day.

However, he is NOT a republican anymore than his father. He is a Libertarian and should stop calling himself a Republican.

That being said, I will not denigrate the good people of Kentucky. They have a right to be represented by whomever they chose.

[VitacoreVision]

Rand Paul has an excellent constitutional voting record, how does that make him not a Republican?

[stanne]

Hey, bring him on. Anyone candidate who has absolutely no (zero) concern over what the medai blathers on about him is the only kind who can take this on.

I certainly can’t imagine him getting caught schmoozing for the camera wtih the Mata Hari twins (Rubio). He cares too much about his image.

Don’t know much about him yet.

[all the best]

Because he has an excellent constitutonal voting record?

[Skepolitic]

You are absolutely correct: the Pauls have no business calling themselves Republicans. And the GOP needs to make it even more abundantly clear to libertarian-minded people that they really aren’t welcome.

That way GOP won’t field candidates that spout off nonsense like “the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism”.

The GOP really needs to banish people who say stuff like, “I am a libertarian with a small ‘l’ and a Republican with a capital ‘R’. And I am a Republican with a capital ‘R’ on grounds of expediency, not on principle.”

[Behind the Blue Wall]

Great point. If we forget that the Constitution does not give us rightd, but rather prevents government from violating our rights, then we’ve already lost.

[impimp]

I thought Rand Paul was great...until he called for a round of amnesty followed by stopping all new immigration. I think stopping all new immigration is even more idiotic than amnesty. He is 2 for 2 for dumb immigration policies.

[VitacoreVision]

I contacted Rand Paul's office.

I asked him to expand and clarify his views on immigration and amnesty, publicly.

Contact Sen. Rand Paul
http://www.paul.senate.gov/?p=contact

[skinkinthegrass]

thanks, for the post. :-)A Kentucky Ping.

...for those interested. :D

[GlockThe Vote]

Without the libertarian minded people on board w the GOP, the GOP is FINISHED

All of these so called “true conservatives” who bash Ron and Rand Paul are going to keep leading the GOP to election loses as far as the eye can see.