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1 posted on 01/12/2013 10:55:56 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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I find this to be a false analogy - Jean Valjean did not sneak in to England or Germany, access the resources of their citizens, have them pay for his child’s schooling, food and education and demand that they speak his language. He did not continue to steal as time went on, rather he spent his life saved by grace and living a good life in his native France.

This article is a lot like saying Joseph and Mary were homeless when the were in Bethlehem. Rather than being homeless, they were reservationless! They had a home in Galilee.


2 posted on 01/12/2013 11:22:42 AM PST by JMS
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don't blame anyone for seeking a better life...if you live in a rat hole country, its understandable...

but you can apply to come here legally..

its not like the French citizenry were being charged SS and Medicare and Income tax so they could have a retirement when they got old...

but we are....

we have invested in our country and we expect to not have to go broke, do without medicines, or heating our homes or sending our kids to college because the govt is GIVING IT ALL AWAY TO ILLEGALS.....

that is OUR Money...not theirs....

so immigration and illegals are not what they used to be...who came here and got nothing....

they come here now and get everything that WE have EARNED...

3 posted on 01/12/2013 11:26:29 AM PST by cherry
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And this folks, more than any other reason, is why we are doomed: a country founded on reasoned principle and rational discourse, now finds even its supposedly "conservative" defenders "arguing" entirely on the basis of emotion with intellect nowhere in sight.

The parallels to illegal immigration in Les Misérables are nonexistent, and one must ignore entirely the most important and pernicious aspects of our current crisis in order to twist the two into any kind of concordance, however rough it may be.

The problem is not a single Jean Valjean. The problem is fifteen million of him. The problem is not venial, easily forgivable crimes committed by a few of them, but the enormous number of violent felonies committed by a very large percentage of them; and these crimes are not committed to cover up their initial transgression.

But as serious as those two problems are: the sheer volume and sheer violence of a significant number of illegals is, these pale in comparison to the real problem, because the truth is that illegal immigration has destroyed the rule of law. It has corrupted everyone with whom it has come in contact; a Mexican government which has no will to clean up its own problems and hangs on as a failed state because of money flowing in from illegals, American Agriculture, which is no longer innovating in mechanization and automation to nearly the degree found in Europe because of the availability of slave labor, American hotels and restaurants and retail chains whose slave labor is subsidized at the expense of other taxpayers, and worst of all, an American political system now thoroughly warped by a belief that pandering to greedy businessmen and the dependent children of illegals has no consequences for a country already desperately in the throes of fiscal self destruction.

The real crime of illegal immigration is the evil, corrupt system on both sides of the border that created and supports it. There was no such apparatus to support the petty crimes of Jean Valjean.

The author, who claims never to take a holiday from his principles needs to reexamine them. They are shortsighted and silly, and unworthy of an American who claims to be conservative. Next time, he should actually try thinking about an issue instead of crying over some treacly confusion of chemicals inside his brain.

4 posted on 01/12/2013 11:27:22 AM PST by FredZarguna (In a well-regulated FReeper den, the right to create and deploy antimatter shall not be infringed.)
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I have never heard of this man Bowyer before. After reading this I despise him for trying to equate invaders in our country to a man in need. I do not work and raise children so that I, and they, may be robbed by the IRS to support invaders to this country. By trying to create a moral equivalent this man Bowyer has shown himself to be a quisling at best, a traitor at worst.


9 posted on 01/12/2013 12:12:03 PM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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Right or wrong, fair or unfair...you can’t unscramble scrambled eggs.


11 posted on 01/12/2013 1:32:15 PM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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