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[donna]

This is just silly.

If anything, it shows the influence of Feminism in the police department. All the rules have been changed to accommodate hysterical female cops - and hysteria is catchy.

Everyone is acting like a frighten woman.

All this cop-hating is leading to anarchy!

[Chode]

ya mean like shooting FIRST... then making sure of the target later???

[freedumb2003]

Somewhere in the greater L.A. area, there is a truck OR 2 that ain’t shot up enough to suit the LAPD...

[Sender]

Here's one of Obama's cherished gun violence stories from mybarackobama.com:

"As a former Master Sergeant of the USAF Pararescue, I don't believe that I should be afraid that a civilian can shoot me dead in the street. The only thing that separates a civilian from a criminal is a criminal act, by then it's too late."

This sort of LEO attitude is a bit disturbing. The only thing that separates a civilian from a criminal is a criminal act? And by then it's too late? Well golly gee whillikers, I guess the civilians had better be shot before they can commit a criminal act, because then it's too late.

[neverdem]

I think this "police culture" is more prevalent among big city cops, IMHO. The NYPD certainly has an us versus them attitude.

[microgood]

Good Article. The current police culture in this country is evil and needs to change. The fact that they do not consider themselves “civilians” says a lot.

[Avoiding_Sulla]

I had a short conversation with an LAPD detective about the shooting in Torrance. What he told me:

The police were there on stakeout outside the house of someone on Dorner’s hit list.
It was 4:30 AM and dark. Thus spotting the make and color was difficult if not impossible (something this article stresses as exceptional.)
The pickup was moving with its lights off.
The driver did not respond to orders from the stakeout (perhaps having radio on).
Instead of a compliance, an arm came out the window (to toss newspaper we now know.)

The media has not mentioned nor this piece at “Reason.”

This is the first time I’ve written on this topic and haven’t scanned any of the other responses on other threads. So I don’t know what has been discussed.

I simply feel it’s right that an LAPD detective’s unofficial, off the record recounting to me is worth lurkers finding near the top of this thread.

[ansel12]

Cops do a lot of Ohio State type events yet they aren’t even soldiers, and Ohio State was made a permanent part of historical horrors.

Too many cops are just too panicky and fearful to be packing guns.

[varyouga]

Also, how did they know nobody else was in the house with Dorner before they torched the place “like planned”? He tied up two people in another house just hours before.

If they did burn other people in the house, we would never know. The fallout would be unimaginable.

Shooting at random people in cars and blindly burning down homes are not the actions of legitimate police. These are the actions of a jackboot secret police that is willing to gamble with the lives of citizens to save their own a**es. Even though they (allegedly) got lucky in this case and didn't kill anyone while getting their man, there's absolutely no justification for such recklessness.

[Freedom_Is_Not_Free]

“Simply put, the police culture in our country has changed,” argued former San Jose Police Chief Joe McNamara, a Hoover Institution scholar, in a Wall Street Journal article in 2006. “An emphasis on ‘officer safety’ and paramilitary training pervades today’s policing, in contrast to the older culture, which held that cops didn’t shoot until they were about to be shot or stabbed.”

No truer words spoken. This is a fact. The cop culture has gone from police patrolling to military occupation. The blue line vs. all comers. Right down to shooting fido before there is any chance for fido to jump the fence.

We are rapidly spawning a police state on the local and federal level. Our freedom is in imminent danger.

[ozzymandus]

I have to say I found the panic and cowardice of the LAPD to be shameful.

[Dick Vomer]

Gee what does a crip or a blood do when one of their gang gets smoked.... They go after the perp and to heck with bystanders . All the while police tsk, tsk about “ senseless and undisciplined” thugs. Hahahahahaha. Typical tough guys wearing their balaclavas and pretending their spec operators except for one little thing. Discipline...

[driftdiver]

pingarooney

[Travis McGee]

Here is a new thread featuring a new essay and 5-minute YouTube video titled “Democide: Socialism, Tyranny, Guns and Freedom.” The video has had 12,000 views in the first two days.

I helped to produce the video. It’s an effort to lift the debate from Newtown “small ball” to the big leagues of state democide, where these efforts at “reasonable and commonsense” gun control laws always lead to death by the million in the end.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2990161/posts?page=42

[Bon mots]

Now, law enforcement drones...
What could go wrong?

[Bon mots]

[KevinB]

As a staunch conservative in law school I hated the notion of defense attorneys, the exclusionary rule and the like because I thought they were about bleeding heart liberals trying to protect criminals. Years later I realized that government is the enemy and these are the only protections we have against out-of-control, oppressive government. Our founders understood the danger of tyrannical government and that’s why these protections appear in the Constitution. Check out the recent articles about the female Utah cop - cop of the year in 2007 because of her record number of DWI arrests - who has now been fired and may be prosecuted because she was routinely arresting folks who had no signs whatsoever of alcohol consumption. She wanted the promotions and recognition such behavior brought her. Even worse, her whole department was giving her the “atta girl” for all of her fine work. This kind of attitude by government and law enforcement is now the rule rather than the exception.

[Carry_Okie]

But the recently concluded manhunt for former Los Angeles Police Department officer Christopher Dorner, accused of murdering four people after releasing a manifesto decrying his 2008 firing from the force, suggests that concern about the public’s actual safety sometimes is fairly low on the list of police priorities.

They can talk "protect and serve" all they want, but the reality is that they train for "officer safety" above all else, including public safety.

That's what we get with unionized police.

[saleman]

As the women’s attorney told the Los Angeles Times: “The problem with the situation is it looked like the police had the goal of administering street justice and in so doing, didn't take the time to notice that these two older, small Latina women don't look like a large black man.” This could be written off as a sad fluke, except that 25 minutes later different officers opened fire on a different truck—once again getting key details wrong. Can’t officers at least check the license plate, and issue a warning, before opening fire?

Damn Cop Hater!!!! I say shoot’em all and let God sort’em out!! What are you! Some kinda Libertarian nut??? /s