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Rogue Cop Christopher Dorner and Prescription Psychotropic Medications
American Thinker ^ | March 3, 2013 | Charles Gant, MD

Posted on 03/05/2013 12:35:05 AM PST by neverdem

With the Christopher Dorner case, the role of prescription psychotropic drugs in mass killings has again come to the forefront. Numerous articles have approached the role of so-called "psych meds" in causing depraved and indifferent violent behavior, but one in particular deserves attention because it highlights the fact that among psychiatric professionals there is no coherent understanding of what needs to be done after we take people off of drugs that are prescribed for their psychiatric illnesses.

The article -- Jon Rappoport's "Is Christopher Dorner Another Psychiatric Killer?" -- makes a number of important points about the former Los Angeles police officer's mental health. Dorner had been treated for severe depression since 2008, and Rappoport correctly proposes that the drugs Dorner was prescribed to treat his depression were almost certainly among the causes of his seeking violent revenge against members of the Los Angeles Police Department.

But there are problems with Mr. Rappoport's article that need to be addressed. Contrary to his assertion that brain chemistry is not a key to developing psychiatric illnesses, mood disorders and other psychiatric illnesses are in fact directly connected to the brain's ability to produce key neurotransmitters, including the relaxant serotonin, painkilling endorphins and enkephalins, anxiety-preventing GABA, and feel-good catecholamines such as dopamine. When the brain does not receive the necessary nutrients to enable neurons to assemble these neurotransmitters, or when other factors cause neurotransmitter production and transmission to break down, illnesses including depression, anxiety, ADHD, and bipolar illness, among many others, often result. When prescription psychotropic medications are used to treat these conditions, frontal lobe damage often ensues. Recently, the term "frontal lobe syndrome" has been brought into use to describe the effects of prolonged prescription psychotropic drug use that damages this portion of the brain and increases our propensity to act violently...

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cannabis; dorner; drugs; drugwar; frontallobesyndrome; marijuana; mentalillness; psychdrugs; psychiatricdrugs; psychiatricmedicine; psychiatry; psychmeds; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; wosd
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1 posted on 03/05/2013 12:35:17 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Excellent article. I wonder if Dorner was on SSRI medication.


2 posted on 03/05/2013 1:14:07 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Dorner was tripped, why ever- how ever, no answers. Yet, how about LAPD, that were shooting at non-Dorners. Just askin’; were the shooter’s scripts- high&tight. Had to be some thing wrong, right? Maybe, no.


3 posted on 03/05/2013 1:27:11 AM PST by RedHeeler
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To: neverdem

Too bad cannabis is so slandered and unavailable. A couple of puffs of some stout Indica, and all he would have killed would have been a bag of cookies.


4 posted on 03/05/2013 1:29:06 AM PST by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I spoke with a retired SrChief who served with him in the Gulf outside Bahrain (by now it’s hearsay). He has a reputation then. Went something along the lines of the Sr Chief and Dorner assigned to board vessels passing through the Straits, inspect their papers to verify their cargo and destination, and be on their way. SrChief handled the first few inspections showing Dorner how they had been doing it.

SrChief to 1stOfficer OOD of ship: Thanks for letting us aboard. We recognize you don;t have toshow us your papers, but there are easy and hard ways of doing things. If you show us your papers, I radio back to my command we’ve seen them, we wave you on, and we go back to our command and you continue on your way. If you don’t, then I have to report back I haven’t seen the papers and I don’t really know what they do then.

In most cases the ship’s OOD/Captain voluntarily shared the info, no problems. Sometimes a baving face gesture of 1stMate saying no, but Captain intervening would occur, but same result, they waved them through.

Now Dorner wanted to try on the next ship:
Dorner to OOD: Look! We can do this the hard way or the easy way. The Hard way, I kill you and everybody on deck, then look at your papers,..the easy way you show me your papers....

SrChief to Dorner as they are departing the ship,....OK, the kill everybody thing went just a little over the top....

Supposedly Dorner did well at desk duties as many performed in the Gulf War Zone after they got over the “Gee, you mean now I can really use this thing when I see fit???” mentality when they were armed and on patrol. Chalk it up to insufficient training for explicit and general mission orders.


5 posted on 03/05/2013 1:44:51 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: rawcatslyentist
all he would have killed would have been a bag of cookies

He looked like he'd already been killing bags of cookies for quite a while.

6 posted on 03/05/2013 2:06:48 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

To my recollection, we have also not yet heard on the toxicology report on the Newtown Shooter and what ‘meds’ he was on.


7 posted on 03/05/2013 2:54:54 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

All the details of the shooter, weapons used, etc., have pretty much gone down the Memory Hole. The official report was supposed to take about 6 months, and though Newtown is often cited as the latest bloodbath excuse to take firearms from law-abiding citizens, there isn’t much really settled there, imho. Too many contradictory and unconfirmed reports early on leave us with debatable data at best.


8 posted on 03/05/2013 3:02:53 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: neverdem

Years ago, a doctor (counselor) prescribed one of those “antidepressant” drugs for me; I think it was called Thorazine. Horrible! Threw me into a worse depression. Had to try something else, AND another doctor; then gradually phased off all drugs. Horrible is the only way I can describe what these pretender “experts” did. (That “doctor” would sit me clear across the room from his desk like I was dirty and he was scared of catching my “disease” during the couple of sessions I had with him; then charge us $180 an hour for it.) Some things are best forgotten, and forgiven.


9 posted on 03/05/2013 3:08:12 AM PST by Twinkie (JOHN 3:16)
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To: neverdem

I wonder what psychotropic Lizzie Borden was on when she took an axe and gave her mother 40 whacks? I wonder what psychotropic the guy that blew up the school in Michigan was on when he killed all those kids in 1937? I wonder what Stalin was on when he killed the kulaks? Nero when he torched the Christians?


10 posted on 03/05/2013 3:12:54 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: Smokin' Joe

And I wonder when he decided to go OFF his meds. When people on these meds decide they’re all better, they sometimes decide to just quit taking them. THAT’S when they “go crazy”. They don’t realize that one has to gradually lower the dosage, with a doctor’s help, or they will be in worse shape than before the meds.

Tox reports should not only include what meds were found in the body, they should also include the drugs the decedent were prescribed BUT WERE NOT FOUND IN THEIR SYSTEM.


11 posted on 03/05/2013 3:33:08 AM PST by blu
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To: blu
Tox reports should not only include what meds were found in the body, they should also include the drugs the decedent were prescribed BUT WERE NOT FOUND IN THEIR SYSTEM.

Agreed. You are correct that the SSRIs especially, are hard to quit, and have to be reduced in dosage slowly over time. Not for amateurs.

12 posted on 03/05/2013 3:39:09 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: blu

Bingo.


13 posted on 03/05/2013 3:58:10 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Gaffer

“To my recollection, we have also not yet heard on the toxicology report on the Newtown Shooter and what ‘meds’ he was on.”

Its difficult to say what role psychiatric drugs play in these cases since they are only given to people who already have psychological problems. Its like saying chemotherapy drugs cause the death of cancer patients.


14 posted on 03/05/2013 4:00:16 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
It does make an interesting Least Common Demoninator, though: how many of these exceptional mass violence episodes were conducted by people on psychological drugs? Of the population currently being medicated with these drugs, how many are leading relatively normal lives and how many have been involved in abberant activities, such as suicide?

We can't ignore the possibilities where any activity that was once rare has suddenly becoming more common. The Left wants to blame AR-15s and ignore other potential causative factors. Why are our crazies becoming crazier?

While we're at it, why do we have vastly more of our kids becoming autistic? Why are we seeing increases in "gay" indentification? Why isn't our government interested in finding out?

15 posted on 03/05/2013 4:17:24 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: rawcatslyentist

“Too bad cannabis is so slandered and unavailable.”

Yeah, why is that? I’d think more conservatives would warm up to it more than they do the man-made stuff. After all, it IS one of God’s creations intended for human consumption and enjoyment. It could be that the few who’ve tried it think the initial high, which is much more intense than subsequent “buzzes”, is how it’s always going to be. Not true! It’s one of those things that rather than become addicted, users become acclimated to its effect(s), none of which include the kinds of violent behavior we see by people on certain pharmaceuticals. No doubt about it, I’d much rather work with and be neighbors with pot heads than pharma heads.


16 posted on 03/05/2013 4:36:09 AM PST by RedBallJet
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To: RedBallJet

Marijuana IS associated with mental illness, especially amongst teenagers.


17 posted on 03/05/2013 5:31:23 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: RedBallJet

As someone who grew up in the 1960s, I could not disagree more. I have seen so many minds and lives destroyed by marijuana - I think it is more dangerous than heroin.


18 posted on 03/05/2013 6:29:44 AM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Good points, Smokin’ Joe.
Armchair psychoanalysis and evaluation without any basis in tox reports is very irresponsible and unprofessional.
First, get the evidence and interviews of witnesses, then start drawing conclusions.
TWB
19 posted on 03/05/2013 7:01:11 AM PST by TWhiteBear (Sarah Palin...The Flame of the North)
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To: mac_truck
It's not the cause of mental illness, but it can bring it out in the open where it can be treated. Actually it is useful in detecting mental illness.

As far as lives being ruined by cannabis, stop blaming things and circumstances! Personal responsibility people!

20 posted on 03/05/2013 7:48:06 AM PST by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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