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Supreme Court sides with timber industry in logging road runoff dispute
The Oregonian ^ | March 20, 2013 | AP

Posted on 03/20/2013 8:56:20 AM PDT by jazusamo

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Wednesday sided with timber interests in a dispute over the regulation of runoff from logging roads in western forests.

In a 7-1 vote, the court reversed a federal appeals court ruling that held that muddy water running off roads used in industrial logging is the same as any other industrial pollution, requiring a Clean Water Act permit from the Environmental Protection Agency.

(Excerpt) Read more at oregonlive.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Oregon; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: agenda21; animalrights; ar; bhoepa; cleanwateract; environazis; epa; logging; ruling; scotus; timber; un21; water; west
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1 posted on 03/20/2013 8:56:20 AM PDT by jazusamo
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To: george76; Flycatcher; girlangler

Ping to a win for the timber industry.


2 posted on 03/20/2013 8:57:22 AM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: jazusamo

Excellent...A real blow to enviro-nazis. Nothing but plain common sense.


3 posted on 03/20/2013 8:58:31 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: jazusamo

Muddy water is industrial pollution???...Asshats for the environment please get a grip!


4 posted on 03/20/2013 8:58:48 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: jazusamo

Now...about the dumb owl....It doesn’t need millions of acres of woodlands to survive....It needs to scr** its brains out. Viagara for birds??


5 posted on 03/20/2013 9:00:10 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

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6 posted on 03/20/2013 9:01:09 AM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: jazusamo

good! - we cannot murder another industry


7 posted on 03/20/2013 9:03:29 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I'll surrender my guns alright - bullets first)
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To: jazusamo

Antonin Scalia dissented, saying that the court gives EPA and other agencies the authority to say what their rules mean “for no good reason.”

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8 posted on 03/20/2013 9:03:55 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: jazusamo

Smokey the bear gives a hat tip.


9 posted on 03/20/2013 9:05:19 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
The enviro-nazis don't miss a trick when it comes to shutting down business and industry. As one commenter posted, the wackos should be forced to pay all court costs from the free money they bilk from their enviro donors.
10 posted on 03/20/2013 9:08:39 AM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: jazusamo

Wow! Stunning!


11 posted on 03/20/2013 9:08:40 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Crap.

More dead fish.

I hate environmental idiots as much as the next Freeper.

But runoff from loggers has (in my estimation) killed more fish than all the nets and hooks ever used.

You see, the silt from the runoff clogs the loose gravel spawning beds. The eggs suffocate.

I don’t mind that loggers log. It’s their land, and their tree. I don’t mind if they cut down every single tree they own.

But the moment their effluent comes into MY (read: OUR) river, they may not send their crap downstream.

The equivalent is if your neighbor’s septic system was directly routed to the property line, and spilled over onto your property. You’d rightly be pissed. He’s welcome to his effluent, and keep it controlled and managed on his property. But the moment his crap comes onto your lawn, it’s actionable.

Same with loggers. If they can control their dirt, I don’t care how many trees they take down. Just keep your damned dirt out of the salmon spawning beds. The loggers have killed so many millions already, they should have to do what we do in our yards: Keep your crap to yourself.

(In pure conservative economic terms, the issues are “free rider,” and “externality.” It is not a free market principle to allow free riders to externalize their costs onto others.)


12 posted on 03/20/2013 9:08:44 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: george76

That’s a head slapper for me.


13 posted on 03/20/2013 9:09:30 AM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Uncle Miltie, the runoff from logging is NOTHING compared to the run off of outlawed chemicals and skinning the land that takes place on millions of acres of OUR public lands by armed illegal alien drug cartels growing dope.


14 posted on 03/20/2013 9:17:38 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Your point is well taken and surely agreed to by most of us here. However, the states are already well equipped to regulate runoff and other environmental issues without the heavy hand of the EPA being involved.

This is a win for everyone (except the EnviroNazis, of course).

15 posted on 03/20/2013 9:19:06 AM PDT by doc11355
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To: Uncle Miltie

You have a point. I am a fisherman also. Proper drainage along the road to a holding pit should be required not total banning of logging like the numbnuts on the left want...


16 posted on 03/20/2013 9:19:42 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Uncle Miltie
You are quite right. Kills fish, and increases dredging costs and water treatment costs. There are a number of relatively simple and inexpensive BMPs designed to alleviate sediment runoff, but when profit is your only concern, why bother?
17 posted on 03/20/2013 9:32:28 AM PDT by stormer
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To: doc11355

Agreed. Glad to hear States can take care correctly.

Now we need to de-list the “Northern” Spotted Owl, a fictional construct manufactured by environazis because the “California” Spotted Owl (the same critter, just to the South) is doing just fine.


18 posted on 03/20/2013 9:33:26 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: doc11355

Some states may be well equipped, but a vast majority of logging takes place on National Forests, making it a federal, not state, issue.


19 posted on 03/20/2013 9:35:09 AM PDT by stormer
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To: AuntB

LOL!

I know that. I open-carried in the woods of Oregon because you’re more likely to run into a Mexican grow operation than you are a bear or cougar.


20 posted on 03/20/2013 9:35:30 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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