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Andrea Rossi & Roger Green Fraud & Scam Update (E-Cat)
Shut Down Rossi ^

Posted on 05/03/2013 5:22:26 PM PDT by mnehring

As Rossi’s e-Cat is barely staying alive on life support, and long time friends and bloggers are losing interest, and closing down blogs, Mr. Roger Green is trying to cash in as the e-Cat gasps its last few breaths, to try and recoup his money back, leaving these last few rounds of investors holding the bag.


What you will find is that Roger Green and Andrea Rossi have reached a new low.
They are selling “shares” in a Japan organization that does not exist yet, to buy a “license” that does not exist yet, and the “license” is for products that do not exist, have never existed, and will never exist.

This article is an update to two articles – here are the links to those articles:

More Legal Fraud in Rossi Farce

The details in the article “More Legal Fraud in Rossi Farce” related to violations of law and the fraudulent use of signatures claiming to be the signature of Mr. Andrea Rossi, when it clearly is/was not.  We add another signature to that article.

E-Cat Australia Roger Green

The article “E-Cat Australia Roger Green” was a shining light on the details of how Mr. Green and Mr. Rossi carried on their fraud and scam including the posting of over 100 emails. We have emails from Mr. Roger Green on this update also but the documents speak for themselves so posting the emails is not required.


We would like to thank Doug Marker, Australia/new Zealand, for passing on this information.

This latest round of attempts to get people’s money by selling licenses or shares of a license by fraud and a scam includes claiming to have products that do not exist, and technology that does not exist – started when Mr. Roger Green sent out a new round of documents to potential investors.

Highlights of the hurried plea for more suckers to jump on the band wagon is below:

 “Be quick. As I say, be quick, I want to have this completed by this weekend

Andrea Rossi has just released first option to me (Roger Green) E-cat Australia PTY, LTD (Founder Breakthru-Technologies) for the exclusive E-cat Technology for the JAPANESE market place!

This is based on having successfully raised investment into the Spain (completed) African Continent (completed) and India, Indonesia, South Korea, South East Asia and NZ/Australian market places.

Min parcels of shares start at $25,000.”


The first document sent from Mr. Roger Green about this latest round of fraudulent licenses, that we would like to discuss, is the agreement between Mr. Roger Green and Mr. Andrea Rossi.

Mr. Green calls it his “To Whom It May Concern” document.

The first thing that stands out is that these scam artists are learning it seems.  You will notice the content, or lack thereof, of this agreement was mentioned many times in the various documents on this website.  You will notice this document was missing in the first round of fraudulent license sales as documented in the emails between Mr. Roger Green and Robert in the emails posted here on this website.

Our first question is why did these two scam artists think this document was needed in the first place?  If Mr. Green had already purchased these two licenses, all he had to do was provide a copy of that purchase.  It would only have any meaning if Mr. Green DID NOT have either of these two licenses and therefore is acting as an agent for Mr. Rossi, which therefore makes him a party to this fraud, a clear case for a RICO charge, (conspiracy and collusion to defraud investors). This document can be used by anyone, in any court of law, who has put any money into the Andrea Rossi scam and is tired of waiting for the sales and profit that will never come, into a RICO case, and make many times their original investment back. (Even if they did not have any dealings with Mr. Green.)

Here is the agreement, our words are in RED.


The legal address of Leonardo Corporation is APT 601, MIAMI BEACH FL 33139, not, ”APT #505, 33139 SOUTH BEACH MIAMI, FLORIDA (USA).”
The correct address was created in the Florida records on 04/30/2012
There has been no change since then.
What the ramifications are of Rossi using a false address for his fraud and scam will be addressed in another article on the legalities of Ross’s scam.  It is enough to note here that Rossi is using a fake and phony business address.

Principal Address
1331 LINCOLN RD., APT 601
Changed 04/30/2012
Mailing Address
1331 LINCOLN RD., APT 601
Changed 04/30/2012
Registered Agent Name & Address
1331 LINCOLN RD., APT 601
Address Changed . 04/30/2012


To Whom It May Concern




Roger Green and/or his Australian company “Eco Global Fuels PTY LTD”

Is authorized from Andrea Rossi, Leonardo Corporation, Miami Beach, Fl- USA

You will notice the change of address here.

To promote, advertise, and find partners for the representation an
commercialization, of the Japan and Israel E-Cat license which is the license to
be able to distribute and sell all current and future E cat products.

Has Rossi’s new or old, business partners given Rossi the authority to do this? What exactly are “current and future E cat products”? I have searched high and low, and I cannot find a definition for an e-Cat anywhere.
The technology, science, and description of what Andrea Rossi calls an e-Cat has changed so much through the years Mr. Focardi would not recognize it anymore.

The only utility patent Rossi received or will ever receive on the e-Cat does not match any description of anything Rossi calls an e-Cat.

So the word e-Cat used in a legal document is meaningless unless it is accompanied with a legal description.  And anyone who signs a legal document without that description in it is only asking for trouble, and possible loss of all funds relating to that document.

What happened to the other Japan license holder?

Andrea Rossi
February 16th, 2012 at 7:21 AM
Information regarding Leonardo Corporation’s Commercial License Policy:…
I must add that practically all the world’s Territories have been already licensed. Soon we will organize a convention of all our Licensees, for the presentation of the E-Cat, in the final shape that will be marketed, and in that occasion we will give the full list of all our Licensees. The most important Territories in which we have not yet found the right licensee are:
1- Russia
2- Japan
We take this occasion to solicit the People interested to these territories to contact us. Attention: we give the licences [sic] only to Organizations which are settled inside the Territories for which they want to buy the license.
Warm Regards,
Andrea Rossi
CEO of Leonardo Corp.

This story broke on ecatnews, and went from there all over the internet.
Russia & Japan eCat Licences For Sale
February 16, 2012

How come Roger Green doesn’t mention in his plea for fraud partners – I mean investors – that they must be “settled inside Japan or Israel”?  Does Rossi know what Roger Green is up to?  Or has Rossi told one more lie, it would not be his first of course.

I guess Rossi never sold the Japan license after all – but wait a minute Roger Green in the emails sent to Robert, says otherwise.  Please read what Roger Green said about what licenses were available here.

Fraud in 2012 – e-cat Australia – Roger Green & Andrea Ross

Roger Green has our permission in exclusivity to organise [sic] investors into The
Japanese and Israel Exclusive E cat Licenses and after which, that said
company, has the right to sell shares and equity

So sub-licenses of the license and sub-licenses of sub-licenses. Turtles on turtles all the way down!

The shareholders and the sub-licensees must not be connected, directly or
indirectly, to Competitors of Leonardo Corporation.

Who are these competitors?  We know of no person or company selling any cold fusion/LENR device except for the fraud and scam of Andrea Rossi and his “licensees.”  The RICO case just keeps getting larger and larger.

This letter of intention is signed on January 15th, 2013

Roger Green sure acts fast.

Roger Green
Eco Global Fuels

Andrea Rossi
Andrea Rossi,

Screen shot from the Florida Secretary of State for Corporations, showing the real and legal address of Leonardo Corporation.

Leonaedo Corp Address


Rossi new Sig

 Look closely at the signature above on this document and compare it to the signatures in our article here:

 More Legal Fraud in Rossi Farce

 Here is the complete “To Whom It May Concern” document as received.

To Whom It May Concern-Roger Green


Now we look at the three page document called the “JAPAN-LICENSE.”

Here again our comments will be in RED.

Information Document for Participation in

1. Introduction and background

EcoGlobalFuels has been granted the option to acquire the exclusive right to distribute the ECAT Technology for the country of JAPAN.

What does “distribute the ECAT Technology” even mean?  Can they manufacture and sell e-Cats?  Or can they just sell what someone else manufacturers?  If that is the case who is going to do the manufacturing?  What is “ECAT Technology”?

EcoGlobalFuels has been provided with this option to acquire the Ecat Distribution License for Japan, because of its successful activities in sourcing the funds for the Ecat Distribution Licenses for Australia, Indonesia, South Korea, India, Singapore, Vietnam, Malaysia, Burma, Spain and recently the entire African Continent.

What is a “Ecat Distribution License”?  Where is this defined or explained?

This option has been granted by the owner of the ECAT Technology, Leonardo Corporation. Leonardo Corporation has been created by the inventor Andrea Rossi of Italy.

To build a team that will collectively own and manage the Japanese ECAT license the founder member Roger Green, invites other interested individuals and/or parties to participate.

For the sum of 50,000 US$, a participation of 10% equity in the Japanese Ecat License can be acquired. 10% is considered the minimum parcel of shares. More parcels of shares can be purchased. A maximum of four of these parcels of shares are available.

40 % equity is available for USD $200,000

Once the license payment has been paid in, a new company will be formed, “ECAT JAPAN” limited. ECAT JAPAN will then be the owner of exclusive ECAT Distribution license for current and all future products from Leonardo Corporation. ECAT JAPAN will issue share certificates, once all participants are known and payment has been received from investors. The investors into E cat Japan will decide after the license has been secured, where to register the company “E cat Japan”. A business plan will also be written at this time.

So Roger Green is asking 1-4 people to send him $50,000-$200,000 when no shares, stock, or the company  “ECAT JAPAN” do not even exist yet.

These shares will be divided as follows:

EcoglobalFuels will own 60%. All other shareholders will collectively own the other 40% in relation to their individual participation amount.

Why does EcoglobalFuels get to own 60% of the future company (that does not exist yet) for doing nothing but collecting $50,000-$200,000 from 1-4 stupid and gullible people?

There is a total of 1,000,000 shares (one million).

How does Roger Green know this when the company has not even been created yet to issue the shares, maybe the company will want to issue 2,000,000 shares, how does he know? Oh yes, because he will own 60% of the company so no one else will have a say in anything the company will do.

400,000 shares are available to purchase at current value 0.50 cents. Total investment for 40% equity is $200,000 USD.

Currently, Roger Green, CEO of EcoGlobalFuels is handing all transactions.

2. Particpation [sic] Confirmation Letter

Each participant will receive the following confirmation letter signed by Roger Green upon receipt of payment for the participation in ECAT JAPAN

“This letter is to confirm that a new company, to be formed (“ECAT Japan”), has entered into a licensing agreement with Andrea Rossi, inventor and manufacturer of the ECAT Technology, via his Leonardo Corporation, Florida USA. To purchase the exclusive license for Japan, for present and all future technology involving the “ECAT” systems for generating thermal heat and electricity.

So now all you legally get is a letter from Roger Green for your $50,000-$200,000.

ECAT JAPAN releases shares to raise this capital.

There is a total of 1 Million shares.

How can there be 1 million shares, when the company does not exist?

Eco Global Fuels / Roger Green will retain 60 % founder shares

ECAT JAPAN will issue shares to investors to raise 200,000 US$

Wait a minute, Roger Green just said that the company will not be created until after he receives the $200,000, which comes first Roger Green?  Now Roger is saying that the company which will not exist until he receives the $200,000 will issue the shares to raise the $200,000? What a scam and fraud this whole e-Cat project is turning out to be.

Each unit share value is 0.50 cent. There are 400,000 shares for sale

A “min.investment” parcel of shares is 50.000 US$.

There is a max. 4 parcel of shares available.(4x $50,000=$200,000)

50,000 US$ will represent 100,000 shares.

This to confirm that you Mr/Mrs ……………..


has/have purchased …… …….shares of ECAT JAPAN


Ecat Japan will be formed and registered as soon as all payment have been
received. A copy of the agreed license with Leonardo Corp is available for your
reference along with a letter of authorization from Andrea Rossi/ inventor E cat
Technology and President of Leonardo Corporation.

Signed…………………Date………..Roger Green, CEO, Eco Global Fuels

“Ecat Japan will be formed and registered as soon as all payment have been received.”  Wait a minute Roger Green, you just said above that the company ECAT Japan was to issue the shares to raise the $200,000.  Which comes first, the shares, or the company that issues the shares?

3. Payment Instructions

Please transfer ECAT Japan License fees to this account:
Name of account:
Eco Global Fuels USA LLC.
Address of account folder:
340 E 52nd St, apt 6H
NYC NY 10022 USA
Name of bank: HSBC
Branch address: 950 Third Ave, NYC NY 10022
Swiftcode XXXXXXX
Routing Number: XXXXXXX
Account Number: XXXXXXX

4.Contact details:

Roger Green
+1 848 702 3779

Here is a copy of the actual “Japan Distribution License” document as received and discussed above. This is the document you sign before you send Roger Green your money.



Now we look at the seven page document called the “Japan License Agreement DRAFT.”

This whole current project by Roger Green and Andrea Rossi is such a farce and fraud that we are not going to take the time to go into any in depth analysis of this document.  It would be a total waste of time.

Here again our comments will be in RED.

The first emails sent out to potential suckers and the letter of understanding mentions only two countries Israel and Japan, but notice the draft document below – it mentions Spain, what is going on?  And why are there no documents relating to Israel?

E-Cat Exclusive Japan License Agreement DRAFT

E-Cat Exclusive JAPAN License Agreement …………………… 1
Definition …………………………………………….. 1
The territory covered by this Agreement. ………………….. 1
The products covered by this Agreement. …………………… 1
Time period covered by this Agreement. ……………………. 2
Extension of this Agreement. …………………………….. 2
Commencement …………………………………………… 2
Licensee entitlements under this Agreement. ……………….. 2
Product Ordering, Delivery, Installation and Payment Details for E-Cat
1Mw Unit ………………………………………………. 3
Warranty ………………………………………………. 3
Interpretation …………………………………………. 3
Headings ………………………………………………. 4
Governing Law…………………………………………… 4
Confidentiality…………………………………………. 4
Signing Page …………………………………………… 5
Specification of E-Cat 1Mw Unit ………………………….. 6

THIS EXCLUSIVE SPAIN LICENSE AGREEMENT is made on the day       of      2012.


LEONARDO CORPORATION, Limited Liability Company, incorporated under the laws
of the USA, located in XXXXXX, Miami Beach, Florida,
(Hereinafter referred to as the Licensor) of the one part


Roger Green,
Eco Global Fuels PTY LTD
E-Cat Japan Limited
77 Oakley Rd, North Bondi, Sydney, NSW 2026 Australia

(Herein after referred to as the ‘Licensee’) of the other part

Why is this agreement for Spain? If this is from a copy of the actual Spain contract, then those people are in trouble.

“LEONARDO CORPORATION, Limited Liability Company”? What’s this now?  Has Roger Green’s good friend and fraudster Andrea Rossi been telling people and signing legal documents that claim that Leonardo Corporation is a LLC?  Not true, Leonardo Corporation is not an LLC it is a full, not limited, corporation.

Why is this agreement between Eco Global Fuels PTY LTD and E-Cat Japan Limited?  It should only be between E-Cat Japan Limited.


- Licensor warrants that it is the true and lawful licensee of all Products related to
energy generating devices based on nickel and hydrogen of Leonardo
Corporation and/or Andrea Rossi for the Territory, and that it has full power and
authority to sub-license to Licensee.

How can the Licensor be the Licensee?  Never use “it” when referring to a company or licensee, if that is even what they mean. Just who is the sub-licensee?

- The Licensor agrees to offer an exclusive E-Cat commercial license for the
territory of Japan to the Licensee and the Licensee or the Licensees Agents or
Associates or Bankers agrees to pay the total amount of xxxx Euros (xxx
thousand euros) to the Licensor on signing this Agreement

What is a “exclusive E-Cat commercial license”? Never defined. Also Roger Green says he can sell e-Cats anywhere in the world anyway, just read the emails linked to at the start of the article.


1. The following words have these meanings in this Agreement unless the contrary
intention appears.

1.1. ‘Agreement’ means this E-Cat Exclusive Japan License Agreement.

The territory covered by this Agreement.
2. The territory covered by this Agreement is: Japan and all of its Islands and

The products covered by this Agreement.
3. All current and future E-Cat products, and in particular:
3.1. The E-Cat 1Mw Unit (see current Specifications below)
3.2. All future E-Cat Products including any domestic and any larger and smaller E-Cat

An e-Cat is still not defined.

Time period covered by this Agreement.
4. This Agreement will remain in place for a period of 3 years from the time of

Extension of this Agreement.
5. The Licensee will automatically be given rights to renew this Agreement at the end
of the License time period if the Licensee achieves the sales target of 1.5 million
USD (one million five hundred thousand US dollars) during the initial period of this

So I guess you just have to sell two non-existent 1MW e-cats to keep you license. So to keep your license you have to be a party to fraud by trying to sell a product that does not exist.

6. The Agreement commences when the Licensee and the Licensor sign this
Agreement and the Licensee and/or the Licensees Agents or Associates or
Bankers pays to the Licensor the total sum of XXX Euros (XXXX thousand euros)
paid as follows:
xxx Euro by 7 Jan 2013, xxxx Euro by 15 Jan 2013, xxx Euro by Jan 2013
If these terms will be not respected, the license will be cancelled.

Licensee entitlements under this Agreement.
7. The Licensee is entitled to an exclusive license to import into Japan, market,
advertise, sell and distribute in Japan all current and future E-Cat products
including the current and future 1Mw E-Cat Products.
7.1. The price paid per unit order by the Licensee to the Licensor at the time of this
Agreement is 1.2 million USD (one million two hundred thousand US dollars) for
the E-Cat 1Mw Unit. However, this price will vary in time depending on the
International Price set by the Licensor and is and will be the maximum of 80%
(eighty percent) of the International Retail Price set by the Licensor.
7.2. The definition of the Worldwide E-Cat Retail Pricing includes the lowest Retail
Price being advertised on the official International E-Cat Technology websites at
the time.
7.3. General World wide Retail Pricing by the Licensor of the E-Cat 1Mw Units at the
time of this Agreement is 1.5 million USD (one million five hundred thousand US
7.4. The retail price in Japan must be approved by the Licensor and cannot be
substantially different from the price to the public in Europe and America.
7.5. The prices charged by the Licensee to any distributors or wholesalers or sellers or
retailers of the E-Cat products in Japan will be at the discretion of the Licensee.
7.6. The current prices will remain in force for at least 1 year from the start of this
7.7. Thereafter, prices can be negotiated and varied as agreed between the Licensor
and the Licensee as long as the percentage of the Licensee buying price against
the Worldwide Retail selling price as set by the Licensor does not increase. This
current percentage is 80 percent (eighty percent).

Product Ordering, Delivery, Installation and Payment Details for E-Cat 1Mw Unit
8. Product ordering delivery installation and payment for the E-Cat 1Mw Unit will be
as follows:
8.1. Currently, at time of order, the Licensor requires payment of 1/3 (one third) of
Licensee buy price which 1/3 is 400,000 USD (four hundred thousand US dollars)
at the time of placement of the order.
8.2. Current delivery of the E-Cat 1Mw Unit by the Licensor to the Licensee or the
Licensee’s Agent or End User is 4(four) months from order date.
8.3. After successful performance test by Licensor and acceptance by Licensee and
Licensee Customer and or Agent, before delivery the Licensor requires payment of
outstanding 2/3 of Licensee buy price currently of 1.2 million USD (one million and
two hundred US dollars) which 2/3(two thirds) is 800,000 USD (eight hundred
thousand US dollars).
8.4. The Licensor is not liable under this Agreement for any delivery costs from the
place of the Licensor’s performance test to the Licensee or the Licensee’s Agent or
End User in Japan
8.5. The Licensee will be responsible for installation in Japan

9. Licensor commits to delivering good quality products. Licensor will give a
warranty for its products for a minimum period of 2 years after delivery to end
customer, during which all costs for repair or replacement (except the normal
change of recharges) will be for Licensor’s account. The warranty will not be
applied if the customer will not respect all the instructions reported in due

10.In this License unless the contrary intention appears:
10.1 A reference to a clause or schedule is a reference to a clause of or schedule to this
Agreement and references to this Agreement include any recital or schedule;
10.2 A reference to a statute, ordinance, code or other law includes regulations and
other instruments under it and consolidations, amendments, re-enactments or
replacements of any of them;
10.3 The singular includes the plural and vice versa;
10.4 The word person includes a firm, a body corporate, an unincorporated association
or an authority;
10.5 A reference to a person includes a reference to the person’s executors,
administrators, successors, substitutes (including, but not limited to, persons taking
by novation) and assigns.

11 Headings are inserted for convenience and do not affect the interpretation of this

Language and Governing Law
12 This agreement has been made in the English language. All documents and
communications delivered in connection therewith between the Parties shall be
only in the English language. The Italian Law shall govern this agreement. And any
action at law associated with this Agreement will take place at the Court of Rome
(Italy) or such other place, as the Licensor shall resolve.

13. This agreement will remain confidential and none of the parties will be allowed to
disclose it to any person without the written permission of the other party.

Signing Page
Executed by all parties as an Agreement.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Signature of Andrea Rossi
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Signature of Roger Green
By Andrea Rossi
As President of Leonardo Corporation in the
presence of:
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Signature of Witness
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Name of Witness (block letters)
By Roger Green
Eco Global Fuels PTY LTD
E cat Japan limited
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Signature of Witness
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Name of Witness (block letters)

Also included are these specifications for the 1MW Unit, they speak for themselves.

Specification of E-Cat 1Mw Unit
Thermal Output Power 1 MW
Electrical Input Power Peak 200 kW
Electrical input Power Average 167 kW
Power Ranges 20 kW-1 MW
Modules 52
Power per Module 20kW
Water Pump brand
Water Pump Pressure 4 Bar
Water Pump Capacity 1500 kg/hr
Water Pump Ranges 30-1500 kg/hr
Water Input Temperature 4-85 C
Water Output Temperature 85-120 C
Control Box Brand Natl. Instr.
Controlling Software Leonardo
Operation and Maintenance Cost $0.5/MWhr
FuelCost $0.1/MWhr
Recharge Cost $10/module
Recharge Frequency 2/year
Warranty 2 years
Estimated Lifespan 20 years
Price 1.5 M US
Total Cost (20 years operation) 12.13/MWh Euro
Dimension 2.4×2.6x6m

Here are copies of the pages in the actual document “Japan License Agreement DRAFT.”

JAPAN LICENSE agreement draft_Page_1JAPAN LICENSE agreement draft_Page_2JAPAN LICENSE agreement draft_Page_3JAPAN LICENSE agreement draft_Page_4JAPAN LICENSE agreement draft_Page_5JAPAN LICENSE agreement draft_Page_6JAPAN LICENSE agreement draft_Page_7


Joy & Peace
Gary Wright
January 18, 2013

TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: coldfusion; coldfusionlenr; ecat; freeenergy; lenr; rossi; scam; seagullthread

1 posted on 05/03/2013 5:22:26 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: dirtboy; cripplecreek


2 posted on 05/03/2013 5:22:55 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

I need to go pick my nephew up from work but I’ll be checking in on the circus when I get back.

3 posted on 05/03/2013 5:23:46 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: mnehring; Kevmo

Pinging Kevmo for his LENR/LANR ping list.

4 posted on 05/03/2013 5:32:14 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: mnehring
There once was an algae to oil company that had slick brochures, a really neat web site, and great plans with international licenses.
And they had a demo plant (an abandoned shrimp plant gone slimy). Not one drop of oil, not one pond in the desert, nothing but hot air and hope the suckers would fall for it.

There are no new scams, just old ones reworked and polished.

5 posted on 05/03/2013 5:52:03 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change
No new scams... Just new gullible people to sucker...
6 posted on 05/03/2013 6:05:24 PM PDT by DB
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To: DB
If you order an e-cat now you can have the dealership covering the South Pole. The secret robotic factories are being imagined as we speak.
7 posted on 05/03/2013 6:32:38 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Roccus


8 posted on 05/03/2013 8:42:21 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: Lx

If it’s a scam then I hope they nail Green and/or Rossi, whoever is culpable. If it aint a scam, it’s one of the most important developments in technical history. I guess we’ll see sooner or later. Regardless of who’s right, it’s a story worth following.

9 posted on 05/04/2013 5:11:01 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: mnehring; All

What Rossi has produced is lots of paperwork but not one commercial device, not one sale, not one factory, not robot building the so-called reactors as Rossi claimed were being planned, no one working model.....nothing but something just over the horizon and retreating as it is approached.

“Years away” says Rossi. No kidding!

10 posted on 05/05/2013 6:54:16 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change
That's pretty much the way the hot fusion guys do their scam FUR SHUR. We've had commercial fusion energy coming 30 years from now for the last 70 years!

That involves hundreds of billions in taxpayer money poured down a rat hole.

11 posted on 05/07/2013 2:07:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
I always thought of hot fusion as someone trying to climb up a ladder with a huge weight on their back while fission was going down the ladder.

Being able to do one does not imply ability to do the other.

Hot fusion is a good example of tossing tons of money at some idea with the hope that success would surely follow.
But at the moment it looks like the technology has a long way to go.

E-cats are just the old lead to gold schemes tarted up.

12 posted on 05/07/2013 3:29:45 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change

Maybe - but if every LENR hobbyist were to turn to fraud, it would take them 11,458,298 years to equal the amount of funding consumed by hot fusion schemes in just one year!

13 posted on 05/07/2013 3:37:03 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Well, we know what happens when big money is made available, the project will grow to fit it and outgrow it.

“cold fusion” is probably being funded at about the funding level hot fusion should be studied too.

The world can get along fine without either one for a while and will. But in the meantime, sure, study both sans the hype about saving the world and e-cat nonsense.

14 posted on 05/07/2013 5:49:14 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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