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This government needs to be reined in.
1 posted on 06/15/2013 4:52:01 PM PDT by tje
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fri pm release?


2 posted on 06/15/2013 4:54:15 PM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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This government needs to be reined in.

I don't mean to seem contrary, tje, but have a hunch it's too late for reins. I suspect the only sensible solution is for the states that wish to remain American to secede, reassert our original Constitution, and let the remainder continue to degenerate into so-called "progressive" hell holes.

3 posted on 06/15/2013 4:56:28 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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Guess this confirms Snowden statement !


4 posted on 06/15/2013 4:58:19 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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At least the communist Nadler (my rep) is good for something.


5 posted on 06/15/2013 5:01:15 PM PDT by oblomov
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Parody:

If HHS wants "to read your health records," a bureaucrat's decision is sufficient, without any other legal authorization required, Nadler said he learned. "I was rather startled," said Nadler, an attorney who serves on the House Judiciary committee.

Maybe he should read what's in the bill before voting to pass the bill.

8 posted on 06/15/2013 5:02:14 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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“Startled” is a far cry from doing anything about it. “Startled” could simply be that progress toward the goal has been so rapid.


10 posted on 06/15/2013 5:02:58 PM PDT by Chaguito
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“Startled” should lead to jail time for the Chicago thugs involved.


12 posted on 06/15/2013 5:08:00 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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Some other informational releases from Herr Nadler.

“The Republicans chose to hold their convention here, I think most of us believe, to continue the political exploitation of 9/11, which this administration started almost immediately after 9/11,”

On the Republicans holding their Convention in NYC

A woman has a constitutional right to choose to terminate her pregnancy before the fetus is viable, ... A prohibition on the exercise of that rite is per se unconstitutional

It only takes political courage because the NRA makes people toe the line against the majority view of the country. It’s time the majority stood up and said enough already. And the majority should have a motive because any of us could be a victim tomorrow

Today, thousands of committed same-sex couples are needlessly suffering because of unequal treatment under our immigration laws, and this is an outrage, ... Any serious legislative proposal for comprehensive immigration reform absolutely must include gay and lesbian couples and their families.


13 posted on 06/15/2013 5:10:09 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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14 posted on 06/15/2013 5:10:10 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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They over charged us again.


15 posted on 06/15/2013 5:10:19 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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If a terrorist event were in progress, and the NSA were requested by a law enforcement agency to provide real time information to help avoid a terrorist attack, I would be willing to allow after the fact documentation to justify it.

That’s not what we’re talking about today though.

We’re talking about all encompassing listening and recording as if God granted them the right to know our every thought.

Nope. He didn’t.


17 posted on 06/15/2013 5:11:22 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Now playing... [ * * * Manchurian Candidate * * * ], limited engagement, 8 years...)
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Remember how out of their minds mad liberals were at Bush because he was “shredding the Constitution” with his “warrant less wiretaps”?


18 posted on 06/15/2013 5:13:24 PM PDT by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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When will I get to listen to Baraq Ubama’s phone/Blackberry conversations simply because I decide to?


20 posted on 06/15/2013 5:16:21 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (It is the deviants who are the bullies.)
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How close are we to the point where the risks of a Constitutional Convention outweigh the risks posed by the trajectory the federal government is presently on.

This may be the last peaceful option we have.

But the outrages in this article are not the only dangers to liberty. The greatest danger is that government is imposing debt serfdom on everyone in its grasp. That is made possible by the lack of limits on spending, borrowing and money-printing. Being able to create money out of thin air enables government to be far bigger than it otherwise could be if it had to balance its budget with tax receipts alone. So, the monetary profligacy we have in many ways is the foundation for many of these tyrannous actions.

A Convention is the only way to solve all these problems.


21 posted on 06/15/2013 5:17:11 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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Rep. Jerrold Nadler, a New York Democrat, disclosed this week that during a secret briefing to members of Congress, he was told that the contents of a phone call could be accessed "simply based on an analyst deciding that."

If the NSA wants "to listen to the phone," an analyst's decision is sufficient, without any other legal authorization required, Nadler said he learned. "I was rather startled," said Nadler, an attorney who serves on the House Judiciary committee.

As many have suspected, this revelation by Nadler strongly suggests that the NSA "records" all content and some of what they recorded they "listen" to.

The impression most have is that they "tap" a phone and listen live to an ongoing conversation. I do not think that is the case. I think they have ALL content on file and simply have to decide which calls to pull out of storage if they wish to listen to them.

BTW, Nadler revealed a "secret briefing". Fox is running wild with their accusations that Snowden's is another Benedict Arnold, led by Karl Rove.

Does this mean Nadler is Benedict Nadler?

This is a terrible time, and we will find a way to unite and kill this, or this nation will slide more quickly toward tyranny. No one is without sin or mistake, sinners can be blackmailed or ridiculed (Alinsky), and the government has shown it is willing to use its access to data for political purposes.

And it is collecting content. I'm convinced.

23 posted on 06/15/2013 5:23:26 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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The head of the FBI, Robert Mueller, didn’t even know about this (or he was lying). From the article:

.................””Rep. Nadler’s disclosure that NSA analysts can listen to calls without court orders came during a House Judiciary hearing on Thursday that included FBI director Robert Mueller as a witness.

Mueller initially sought to downplay concerns about NSA surveillance by claiming that, to listen to a phone call, the government would need to seek “a special, a particularized order from the FISA court directed at that particular phone of that particular individual.”

Is information about that procedure “classified in any way,” Nadler asked.

“I don’t think so,” Mueller replied.

“Then I can say the following,” Nadler said. “We heard precisely the opposite at the briefing the other day. We heard precisely that you could get the specific information from that telephone simply based on an analyst deciding that... In other words, what you just said is incorrect. So there’s a conflict.” ....................


25 posted on 06/15/2013 5:29:07 PM PDT by Girlene
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Thank you for the post.

Senator Hatch was on Fox earlier implying proudly that oh, it's no big deal. He said, “we (the NSA) have been doing this for a long time. He even was asked if this snooping without a warrant hurts the 4th Amendment. Hatch replied, “absolutely not.” He said he knew all about this dragnet of data. Blatant abuse of their oath of office.

27 posted on 06/15/2013 5:30:38 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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So Mr. Snowden wasn’t bragging when he said he could listen in on anyone? So what else is true?


29 posted on 06/15/2013 5:32:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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I am sorry to say but unless otherwise stated in law,
the Constitutional provision against “unreasonable” searches does not - simply by a reasonable vs unreasonable standard - mandate “a warrant” - again, unless otherwise stated in law

did the Patriot act open up the FISA court standard

or, is what the NSA folks saying actually unchanged since b4 the Patriot Act

I myself don’t know for sure


31 posted on 06/15/2013 5:35:35 PM PDT by Wuli (qu)
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People who feel compelled to share every detail of their lives on Facebook and Twitter should have no problem with any of this.


32 posted on 06/15/2013 5:36:38 PM PDT by bigbob
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