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Read This If You Believe Your Candidate Lost Due to Third-Party Voters
Reason ^ | Nov. 6, 2013 | Scott Shackford

Posted on 11/06/2013 12:24:33 PM PST by GrootheWanderer

So it turns out Terry McAuliffe and Ken Cuccinelli were able to draw away enough votes to keep Robert Sarvis from winning Virginia’s governor’s race. I hope the folks who put those guys on the ballot are happy.

Last night, my Twitter feed had quite a few conservatives laying the blame on Sarvis for costing Cuccinelli the election (which really isn’t true according to polls, and it probably wouldn’t even had been a close outcome but for the Obamacare mess). So in the spirit of reconciliation, here are some tips from a typical third-party voter to major party movers and shakers who are trying to figure out how to approach us. Note: I live in California and therefore did not vote in Virginia’s gubernatorial race. If I had, I probably would have voted for Sarvis.

You need to make an actual case for your candidate. Once you wade out of the red team versus blue team fight, you have to set aside the mentality that comes with it. Too many folks were still making the argument that Cuccinelli was better than McAuliffe when they needed to be making the argument that Cuccinelli was better than Sarvis. Timothy Carney at the Washington Examiner took on this task later in late October and made some good points about Cuccinelli. It probably wouldn’t have been enough to get my vote, but it was at least enough to make me think it over.

(Excerpt) Read more at reason.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: election; kencuccinelli; libertarian; moronsonfr; randsconcerntrolls; robertsarvis; scottshackford; terrymcauliffe; virginia
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As the article notes, polls shows Sarvis pulled more votes from McAuliffe, and I suspect that most people who vote for any third party candidate simply would not vote rather than vote for a major party candidate.
1 posted on 11/06/2013 12:24:33 PM PST by GrootheWanderer
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To: GrootheWanderer

So why were the democrats trying to take down McAuliffe by funding Sarvis?


2 posted on 11/06/2013 12:26:24 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: GrootheWanderer

I had no candidate but did know in Vrginia the dead would rise again and vote again for the democrat communist..


3 posted on 11/06/2013 12:27:51 PM PST by PLD
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To: GrootheWanderer

That’s interesting, as I wouldn’t think any actual lower-case l libertarian would ever vote for a Democrat.

That said, Sarvis was a liberal Democrat, supported by liberal Democats, who called himself a Capital L Libertarian, so this doesn’t surprise me.


4 posted on 11/06/2013 12:28:12 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: cripplecreek

Exactly!!
This article is just pure bullsh-t. This close mindedness is why some libertarians will never gain respect - because they are more label sensitive than any Republican ever thought about being. Took more from Mac? Really? Is that why Sarvis got 9% of those who oppose Obamacare - which is virtually all of his voters? They were really Mac voters? Really?

No self respecting libertarian would claim Sarvis. The Pauls spit him out like vomit. He was financed by liberal Clintonista buddies of McAuliffe…..and yet, this clown still spouts his crap.


5 posted on 11/06/2013 12:31:02 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: GrootheWanderer
If I had, I probably would have voted for Sarvis.

This idiot reminds me why I never read anything from the turds at Reason.com. They are brain dead when it comes to the threat of Demoncats and their enthusiastic advocacy for illegal alien amnesty is revolting.

6 posted on 11/06/2013 12:31:19 PM PST by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: GrootheWanderer

I have long felt that Libertarians would vastly increase their political power if, instead of supporting candidates who cannot win, they would as a party primary select one of the real candidates whom they would support.

This would make them a key voting bloc up for grabs by both parties, rather than the oddball spoiler role they play with zero chance at having any influence in government.


7 posted on 11/06/2013 12:31:50 PM PST by babble-on
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To: GrootheWanderer

I don’t blame anybody. It was just plain old fashioned corruption................


8 posted on 11/06/2013 12:33:30 PM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: GrootheWanderer

Not surprisingly, it was the illegal aliens, unimpeded at the polls, who put McAuliffe over the top.


9 posted on 11/06/2013 12:33:32 PM PST by MNnice
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To: GrootheWanderer

So Reason will carry water for anyone with an L next to his name, regardless of the statist policies he supports. You know, because they’re so different from the party sheep who blindly support guys with other letters next to their names.


10 posted on 11/06/2013 12:33:32 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (If you don't stand up, you don't stand a chance.)
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To: GrootheWanderer

I love libertarians, however, this is BS and wishful thinking. It was due to Sarvis not being a real libertarian.

Since Dole was a plant. McCain was a plant, i.e., not really put there to win, I am finally fine with a third party even if it means Hillary wins.

REPe really don’t want to win anyway as seen how they attack Cruz instead of 0bummer.

They want their kingdom and power but don’t really want to win; Rush pointed this out today.

Third party, fine. Cruz/Palin, Palin/West, Palin/Paul, Paul/Palin, Paul/West...heck, I’ll take any of these.

How about the party name, “Maker Party”?


11 posted on 11/06/2013 12:34:14 PM PST by CincyRichieRich (“Life is hard, but it’s harder when you’re stupid.” John Wayne)
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To: babble-on

The leaders of this movement are not interested in increasing the total power of the libtard movement….(which is different from true John Stossel style libertarians) - they want to be big fish in their small pond of pure irrelevance….

This is why no third party is the answer, because any party management attracts scum by definition…….


12 posted on 11/06/2013 12:34:27 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

BINGO


13 posted on 11/06/2013 12:35:09 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: GrootheWanderer

I don’t know what to say anymore it is depressing here in southeastern Montgomery County PA. Every neighborhood around me (former red areas) had sweeping democrat wins on school boards and other positions. It is depressing. What more failure from that party do they need to witness???? The evidence is all around them!


14 posted on 11/06/2013 12:35:33 PM PST by Phillyred
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To: GrootheWanderer

Libertarians who would vote for Mcauliffe over ANYBODY are simply living a fantasy. No Democrat is ever going to promote a libertarian society. Big Mac and his ilk are the ultimate, up-your-*ss regulatory statists. Libertarians like this guy and his attempt to be oh-so logical and rational with his choice is pathetic. Cuccinelli was “Perot-ed” plain and simple.


15 posted on 11/06/2013 12:35:50 PM PST by D_Idaho ("For we wrestle not against flesh and blood...")
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To: montag813

Libertarians are leftists in drag. Always have been.


16 posted on 11/06/2013 12:35:54 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (If you don't stand up, you don't stand a chance.)
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To: GrootheWanderer

Sarvis was nothing more than a Trojan Horse quite similar to others used by the Marxists to pull votes away from the conservatives. Clinton used this strategy several times. It is nothing new. However, it is still effective.


17 posted on 11/06/2013 12:36:30 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: GrootheWanderer

Saris, whomever the pro-tax increase non entity is, should be tarred and feathered.

Toadies for the Democrats.


18 posted on 11/06/2013 12:36:38 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: GrootheWanderer

Never blame the voters for your loss. The candidates’ job is to woo voters, if they didn’t woo enough to win that’s on the candidate and their staff. The voters’ job is to vote for the candidate they feel best represents them, they ALWAYS do their job right, even if we think they voted for the wrong guy.


19 posted on 11/06/2013 12:36:58 PM PST by discostu (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: GrootheWanderer

I looked at all of the people who lost due to libertarians and constitutionalists in the recent election cycles. They include Mia Love, Denny Rehberg, Richard Mourdock, Jon Porter, Jackie Walorski(first time), Vernon Parker. Of course as you can see they were all rinos(not).


20 posted on 11/06/2013 12:38:45 PM PST by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing Corksucker.)
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