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Teen ordered off life support; family can appeal
cnsnews.com ^ | 12/24/13 | ASON DEAREN and CHANNING JOSEPH, AP

Posted on 12/24/2013 3:34:25 PM PST by ColdOne

OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) — A judge on Tuesday ordered that a 13-year-old Northern California girl declared brain dead after suffering complications following a tonsillectomy be taken off life support.

But Alameda County Superior Court Judge Evelio Grillo gave Jahi McMath's family until 5 p.m. Dec. 30 to file an appeal. She will stay on life support until then.

Grillo issued the order after a Stanford doctor testified that Jahi is brain dead. Dr. Paul Graham Fisher's evaluation was the second to reach that conclusion.

Children's Hospital of Oakland, where Jahi is hospitalized, has asked that the girl be taken off life support after doctors there also concluded she was brain dead.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
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1 posted on 12/24/2013 3:34:25 PM PST by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne

Death panel......


2 posted on 12/24/2013 3:35:21 PM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: ColdOne
Make it personal. Go after licenses.


3 posted on 12/24/2013 3:40:47 PM PST by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: ColdOne

I was talking to the owner of a large funeral home in Norfolk around 1982. I casually asked if he ever had anyone come back to life.

He replied that they had one just the week before. They called an ambulance which took him to the hospital where he lived a few days before dying again.


4 posted on 12/24/2013 3:41:09 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: ColdOne

Who is paying for continuing this life support when she is brain dead?!

Just because there exists the technical ability to force a dead body to breathe, doesn’t mean dead people should be kept alive indefinitely.


5 posted on 12/24/2013 3:42:49 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

It’s a complex issue - modern technology has considerably blurred the line between life and death - so who makes the choice and based on what criteria? On the other hand, keeping those life-saving machines occupied by someone who has entered an irreversible state will end up causing others who might need the machines more, to have to wait longer, increasing their odds of entering a “vegetative” state themselves.


6 posted on 12/24/2013 3:49:24 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Star Traveler

7 posted on 12/24/2013 3:49:58 PM PST by al baby (Hi MomÂ… I was refereeing to Obama)
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To: al baby

"What are you doing? Were you pulling the plug on me?"

8 posted on 12/24/2013 3:52:22 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: ColdOne

It is a sad situation.

Unfortunately, there is nothing that can be done to bring the brain back to life once it has become dead tissue. This case is *not* like the Terri Schindler case, where her brain was damaged but she was still alive and aware. Nor is it comparable to a coma case, where the person cannot move or react, but is alive and may be conscious (in some cases).


9 posted on 12/24/2013 4:01:56 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: ColdOne

First the hospital causes this to happen, now they want this child dead so they can get the bed..sickening..this is what a death panel looks like


10 posted on 12/24/2013 4:04:03 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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First the hospital causes this to happen

Please provide some evidence.

11 posted on 12/24/2013 4:12:24 PM PST by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98)
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To: Star Traveler; ColdOne; caver; darkwing104
It is not murder in any sense of the word --- religious, legal, or ethical --- to remove a body from such life support as a ventilator, when that body is brain dead. You do not have to ventilate a corpse until it rots off the table.

This is quite different from the situation of a person like Terri Schiavo, who was not brain dead, and not even dying --- no, not even "terminal" --- when they removed her nutrition and hydration. In her case, even though she was breathing on her own and responsive, her husband Michael wanted her gone, for whatever reason of weariness, confused compassion or personal interest (she did have assets he would inherit) --- and when at last she died, she did not die of her "underlying condition," she died of hunger and thirst: starvation and dehydration. That, my friends, was murder.

In the pathetic situation reported on this thread, death has occurred without any hurry-up from powerful others. Burying the dead is also a Work of Mercy.

That is.... if what was reported is true.

12 posted on 12/24/2013 4:12:48 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Sanity is the adequate response of the mind to the real thing: adaequatio mentis ad rem.)
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To: A_Tradition_Continues

She walked in and will be carried out?


13 posted on 12/24/2013 4:24:02 PM PST by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thank you for reminding me of the Terri Schiavo tragedy. I had not forgotten her but I did need a reminder. That was murder.


14 posted on 12/24/2013 4:26:24 PM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: exDemMom

I was in an induced coma and you are right. I could hear; but not move or react. They couldn’t wake me up for a while; but my husband came in and said he was going to do the dishes. LOL I woke up and said “fat chance”. It’s a hard one. Also, when I was having seizures, I could talk and answer questions as wierd as that sounds.


15 posted on 12/24/2013 4:32:54 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: A_Tradition_Continues

Having your tonsils removed is a routine procedure. You aren’t supposed to die.

Morbidity/Mortality
Morbidity other than minor post-surgical infection is uncommon. About one in every 15,000 tonsillectomies ends in death, either from the anesthesia or bleeding five to seven days after the operation.

http://www.surgery.com/procedure/tonsillectomy/morbidity-mortality


16 posted on 12/24/2013 4:39:02 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Mrs. Don-o

If as reported she is brain dead I agree with you. She is dead.

My heart breaks for her mother. I hope the hospital offered he more than “she’s brain dead and we are taking her off life support.”


17 posted on 12/24/2013 4:48:10 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

It has happened occasionally that “brain dead” people have woken up.

They make mistakes in hospitals too.


18 posted on 12/24/2013 4:49:56 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: ColdOne

Frankly, most of these cases are DOA.

However, knew a young man who overdosed and was brain dead. Also his lungs were giving out after a week plus on vent...glass lung syndrome. The docs were going to turn him off on Friday, but since Sunday was Mother’s Day and he was his mother’s only child, they decided to wait until Monday. He woke up Saturday.

How was he? Ok, Some memory loss, some processing complications. Never finished his doctorate, working the convenience store life. A learning lesson for my children.


19 posted on 12/24/2013 5:01:31 PM PST by Chickensoup (we didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: Star Traveler
Just because there exists the technical ability to force a dead body to breathe, doesn’t mean dead people should be kept alive indefinitely.

No they shouldn't be kept "alive" in perpetuity, but at least let her parents get past Christmas instead of having the ghouls in organ donation drooling over her heart, liver kidneys and eyes.

20 posted on 12/24/2013 5:05:03 PM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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